Should players be able to sell Mogstation items?

[Awha]

Hey, was wondering how people felt behind allowing players to buy and sell cash shop items.

Personally I would like something to spend Gil on. Just a general question, hope it does not turn into a shit storm.

[Moonfish]

You are asking for legitimized RMT. My answer is a hard no.

[Awha]

You are asking for legitimized RMT. My answer is a hard no.

RMT is always going to be a thing, and this game already inconveniences players due to their fear of RMT.

SE will never win the war on RMT, but at the very least they could offer other options for players that have more pixel currency over real and provide them with an option to get some of the cash shop items. Who knows maybe they would even make more money off the cash shop. Isn't that a good thing for the company. I mean they make items single use so clearly they want people to buy multiples so give people a reason to buy multiples.

[Kohdo]

RMT is always going to be a thing, and this game already inconveniences players due to their fear of RMT.

SE will never win the war on RMT, but at the very least they could offer other options for players that have more pixel currency over real and provide them with an option to get some of the cash shop items. Who knows maybe they would even make more money off the cash shop. Isn't that a good thing for the company. I mean they make items single use so clearly they want people to buy multiples so give people a reason to buy multiples.

How about no? A tiny minority breaking the rules doesn't mean we should do away with those rules.

Using Gil to buy something someone already spent money on defeats the purpose. Since I was never going to buy the item in the first place it creates a net positive for SE since someone else bought the item off the station and I just bought it off the MB.

SE wouldn't see it like this. Letting you buy Mogstation items from other players deprives them of additional revenue you may have otherwise spent on that item in the Mogstation.

[Awha]

SE wouldn't see it like this. Letting you buy Mogstation items from other players deprives them of additional revenue you may have otherwise spent on that item in the Mogstation.

Maybe, maybe not we do not know that for sue. Though I can say in my case and a few other I know we simply do not want to spend real money on item so that sale SE will never get if we did not buy the item off another player. But if someone else bought it and I bought it off the market board they have a higher potential profit. Granted many variables to account for. I mean I have no desire to buy something off the station, I will either buy it off a FC mate or something. I am of the position it is time to stop inconveniencing players in fear of RMT.

I mean the reason we cannot mail between our alts is probably due to their crusade against RMT. Sure having such a massive influx of Gil being put back into the economy will suck, and properly the market will never recover due to how long the hording has gone on for. At this point can SE really do anything to combat this, waiting just allows the coffers to get larger, and I do not see them adding any gil sinks in the future so should this really be a reason to not allow people the option to buy mogstation items from other players easier?

I mean I have not even been playing all that long and I am fairly close to being Gil capped on my main. So I cannot imagine how much Gil some long time players are sitting on.

Also either way I am never going to buy an item off the station, I will just buy them off someone and use the friend code. Part of me was just being silly I guess wanting the process to be a little more convenient. Was not my intent to cause a shit storm as I said in the OP. Let us be cordial towards one another. We can be mature about this.

[Alfenris]

1 person wanting the item in the end, should only require one mog station purchase, the real money was spent, but somebody else bought it with gil, no wrong has been done and SE has their cash and a real money paying player got some gil he would have other wise never obtained. RMT are a solution to both players who dont have a real job and working people who dont have time to play all day every day. SE understand that you have to try and help both, or else you end up with many hardcore players who produce no extra income, and lose a lot of paying customers who get frustrated at being treated like they dont have the right to enjoy the game fully due to their real life obligations such as work.

[Tridus]

You are asking for legitimized RMT. My answer is a hard no.

Prohibition doesn't work. We have literally centuries of evidence of this. In the MMO space, we know the same thing, and have virtually the entire lifetime of the genre as evidence.

If there's a demand for something, people will create supply. That is one of the most fundamental rules of economics. Black market RMT causes all kinds of problems that nobody likes and cost SE money to deal with. Wouldn't it make more sense to bring it in house in a safe way and make some money off it instead? That's exactly why so many other games have brought stuff like play time tokens into existence: if players are going to buy it anyway, it makes more sense to have them buy it from a reputable source and make some money off the transaction.

[Istaru]

Prohibition doesn't work. We have literally centuries of evidence of this. In the MMO space, we know the same thing, and have virtually the entire lifetime of the genre as evidence.

If there's a demand for something, people will create supply. That is one of the most fundamental rules of economics. Black market RMT causes all kinds of problems that nobody likes and cost SE money to deal with. Wouldn't it make more sense to bring it in house in a safe way and make some money off it instead? That's exactly why so many other games have brought stuff like play time tokens into existence: if players are going to buy it anyway, it makes more sense to have them buy it from a reputable source and make some money off the transaction.

Legitimacy.

SE doing it makes it a legitimate and wholly acceptable practice. There are people who would do this now if it wasn’t against the rules. The only things holding them back are moral high ground and possible ridicule from their friends since most of us despise RMT in all of its forms.

Breaking the rules doesn’t stop people since SE doesn’t ban gil buyers, only gives them a vacation.

Yes, RMT happens now on a fairly small scale relative to the mess that would be created from this.

[Moonlite]

SE doing it makes it a legitimate and wholly acceptable practice. There are people who would do this now if it wasn’t against the rules. The only things holding them back are moral high ground and possible ridicule from their friends

I would bet those people that are that close just do it quietly and spread the money out a bit or just aren't that flashy about purchases. Except for the locked servers a quick check shows it's cheaper to buy tonnes gil then to buy the stuff on the mogstation at current per character pricing structure.


Also with the continuing growth of mogstation I would hope one day we get the reverse. And they take gil out of the game and turn it into digital purchases. I feel we are well beyond the moral high ground of rmt with jumps for jobs/quests/retainers. Build a system in the game and let money flow both ways. It is not like they ban paying bots anyways. As every server seems to claim a group of legitimate bots who have played for years with no issues.

[Zojha]

Yes, RMT happens now on a fairly small scale relative to the mess that would be created from this.

The far bigger issue is: The inflation we had all these years would finally become an actual issue as the rich crafters that previously soaked up the gil and made it dead money would suddenly have something to buy with it and thus return the money into circulation.

That'd create a bigger mess of an economy than a data-center wide market board could hope to achieve.