Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[NephthysVasudan]

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Yep - been there before.....seems to be more and more common stupidity mindset these days. Hang in there..you'll find that group and won't have to worry about it so much.

[Frizze]

I would have gone sooner but I didn't meet the requirements for a bit, even on main class, so I had to gear up first. Sadly DF has plenty of jerks, especially on trials, who have no patience. Is that one even on roulette? Because otherwise I see no reason for people with no patience for newbies to run that, it's surely not for rewards.

Late response, but still a response. Yes, Byakko is on the trials roulette now. Normal/story mode trials are added to the roulette at the same time they go live in game. You can actually have your first clear of a trial be from a roulette que. I learned this personally from Final Steps of Faith. I had it unlocked, but i was waiting to run it with friends. I que for trials for... i dont remember why i qued exactly, but i used to do trials once a day just so i could remember all the fights. Got dropped into a Final Steps group... a bad one. After several wipes everyone left and i still didnt have my clear(i know we got past the adds on the second or third pull, i dont remember if we got to the final phase or not before we ditched). If i remember right, i actually ended up in one more disaster group on that trial before getting paired with people who understood/could learn the mechanics(or maybe i finally did just clear it with friends... the past is murky). But i do agree with you, a tolerance for new people is something you really should have when queing for any roulette, because you never know where you'll end up and who with.

[Camiie]

But i do agree with you, a tolerance for new people is something you really should have when queing for any roulette, because you never know where you'll end up and who with.

Indeed. I always figured that's the whole point of the rewards in Duty Finder... to offset the randomness of both dungeon/trial AND other players encountered. You'd think the more experienced people capable of clearing Super Ultra Mega Maximum Over-Savage content would understand that. Maybe it's too basic a concept for their advanced minds?

[Galgarion]

Indeed. I always figured that's the whole point of the rewards in Duty Finder... to offset the randomness of both dungeon/trial AND other players encountered. You'd think the more experienced people capable of clearing Super Ultra Mega Maximum Over-Savage content would understand that. Maybe it's too basic a concept for their advanced minds?

The results staggered the gathered scientists; pioneers of artificial intelligence research who now stood as priests before the gateway to Eden...for who among them could have expetected such a result? They had created an artificial intelligence so evolved and advanced that it could even be: stupid.

"What doom hath man wrought?" one whispered reverantly.

"Duuuur, I dunno," replied their idiot god.

[KaldeaSahaline]

While not DF, I was in an O6S (duty complete, only people who completed it week 1) Pug last night. What looked like a clean one shot, turn into literally an hour and a half of 1% wipes.

Every single pull we lost someone or someone made a mistake, Both tanks doing great DPS. One healer doing great DPS, the other less, but not terrible by any stretch. 3/4 DPS doing decent damage, and the SAM who when alive, did fine damage, but this guy died so freaking often.

There must have been 6 out of the 8 or so pulls where he cost us the 1% wipe because he died to something stupid. I wanted to replace him after his 3rd wipe so bad, but it didn't make sense too since we already had everything ironed out and were continually seeing super low enrages. We eventually got it but it irritated me.

Coming right off that, I queued for my expert. It was WAY past my desired sleep time, but I don't want to grind tomes all day today to cap), so I wanted to knock it out.

As you can imagine I'm already pretty testy from the previous run, I zone in. I already still have protect. I say hi everyone, etc. I sit there for 50 seconds, before just saying, ok guess we're not getting protect (I know 50 seconds isn't long, but it felt like an absolutely eternity just standing there doing nothing, no one talking etc.). One DPS white knights the healer like chill out she's casting it now. I notice they're all on same server so I decide not to poke back because it was late and I really didn't feel like getting kicked.

Not only did the healer barely DPS, like literally not at all for the first half of the entire dungeon, but the SAM in the group was barely pulling 1.8k DPS. Granted he was pretty low ilvl (roughly 310), but honestly, I did more than that as a tank single target with over 10 less ilvl in full time tanking stance. The NIN was ok, which was the only saving grace. it still took over 30 minutes to complete because I had to baby-pull to try and get the healer to DPS.

RDM/PLD teams are really kinda OP.

I've leveled RDM on an alt and am now leveling it on my main and again today I wound up in a situation with a PLD where he and I duo'd a boss together. I did this once with a WAR too I think but a PLD makes it even easier.

We had a healer and DRG in Nevereap that hadn't ever been there before. They were both knocked off by the final boss's knockback ability. I Vercure'd us through it with an occasional Clemency when I was caught in a bad spot.

It's not the fastest way to finish a fight but still faster than wiping it seems.

As a PLD, I've solo'd nearly every boss in the level 70 dungeons just to see if I could. A RDM is just icing at that point

Yes, I had trouble staying alive, ressing people, healing almost dying people, but I'd hardly call it a carry, everybody pulled their weight (and I think I healed more than her too).

I'm sorry to hear you had a rough go, but congrats on the clear! However, I'm not sure how you can say everyone pulled their weight in the same sentence you said you had trouble staying alive, ressing and healing.

You also state you "think" you healed more than her too? How do you know that exactly?

Why all the saltiness? Not only I didn't find it easy as people say, I found it harder than any other HM primal, probably because half of the group or more was new to it..and I find it superhard dodging the balls while you're in the tornado thing. Anyway, it all was ugly enough to put me off ever redoing that fight again.

Don't get discouraged. I've struggled with tons of things in my life and in gaming. Use it as strength to elevate yourself.

As far as dodging the balls, it's actually extremely easy once you understand it. Sit near the edge with your camera facing directly downwards. You'll see the balls come up towards you but don't panic. They come up in a pattern where they bounce off the wall just before hitting you and go inward. Stay on the outside and slowly shift around. When you need to run into the middle, just go. You have more time than you need, especially considering there is nothing else you can do at that point (i.e. heal/dps/buff etc.).

Omg, up until the last part where the tank told you all to die, I thought maybe this was the group I ran with in Hells Lid last night. Tank said he was new to the dungeon but still pulled wall to wall anyway. I'm pretty sure he and the healer came together (you'll see why). At one point, the tank pulled That One Snake mob, lost aggro after I put my DoTs on it, but kept continuing forward without me. So I'm getting my shit kicked in, tank realizes he didn't grab everything, but on the way back he dies, then I die, everyone dies.

Both him and the healer blame me for that wipe because I grabbed aggro. Yeah no, if you can't hold hate from me just putting two DoTs on it AND you neglect to check if you grabbed everything, it's not me-- it's your tanking job, bro.

What did you do once you got aggro on the snake? While it is definitely the tanks responsibility to ensure he has threat, did you do anything further to help the situation?

I say this because 99.9% of the time I lose aggro to an errant mob, the person will run away from it (hint this doesn't work). I'm not chasing you down for it. Run the mob to me and I will take it off you effortlessly. As a PLD, another thing I do especially if a mob is low HP, I'll just cover you and let you tank it and kill it 2-3 GCD's later. It gives me an excuse to use it .

Just did 70 roulette, Ala Mhigo, tank starts with "Prepare to Sprint!! Let's speedrun!!!!"and just runs off, even though nobody agreed. Superstressful, have to save him with Benediction multiple times, doesn't even wait for all to be in the room to attack boss. Then asks, or better orders the dps (forgot what class now) to give him TP. Since I didn't know how to vote kick (cause the dpers didn't look happy either so maybe..) I just left midrun. If I wanted that much stress I'd just work 24/7 instead of playing games.

IMO most pug healers don't ever use bene. They simply save it and then never use it. I like a healer who uses bene on me frequently and uses that time to maximize damage output. I've also asked for goad from a DPS before, I've never gotten it, but I've asked.

I see nothing wrong with what this tank did. As a tank he gets to set the pace of the dungeon. It is his job to dial it back, or ramp it up pending the success/skills of the group. As far as bosses go, you have 30s to get into the room, don't really need to wait for everyone to get in. I don't. If I see people close I go in. Obviously I don't want to lock anyone out lol.

[Rasikko]

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Gotta say it boils me a bit that people throw around the word cancer and turning it into an adjective all nonchalantly, and as a form of an insult. Some of us got fathers dealing with the real deal, with sons worrying if/will he survive. Nobody on this forum, or in game wants cancer.

And yet the word used in the way that is now..

[ErryK]

"it's actually easier to pop your cooldowns BEFORE you pull so I can dps more."

This healer is an idiot...

[winsock]

Talking about tanks who pull wall to wall...
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I just left midrun. If I wanted that much stress I'd just work 24/7 instead of playing games.
I really need to make more friends in game, pugs kill me half of the time.
bigtime.

Didn't get your way so you took your toys and went home? Why should the way you want to play override the tanks preference?

If he's doing what he is supposed to, at worst you're looking at minimum sprint and cure II spam. Maybe an mp cool down occasionally and using tetra or something during the dog section if you get targeted by AoE. Of course, you are always welcome to heal more efficiently than the above to improve your DPS uptime.

If your job is less stressful than repeatedly pressing the cure II button, I need to look into a career change lol.

[bounddreamer]

Talking about tanks who pull wall to wall...
Just did 70 roulette, Ala Mhigo, tank starts with "Prepare to Sprint!! Let's speedrun!!!!"
and just runs off, even though nobody agreed. Superstressful, have to save him with Benediction multiple times, doesn't even wait for all to be in the room to attack boss. Then asks, or better orders the dps (forgot what class now) to give him TP. Since I didn't know how to vote kick (cause the dpers didn't look happy either so maybe..) I just left midrun. If I wanted that much stress I'd just work 24/7 instead of playing games.
I really need to make more friends in game, pugs kill me half of the time.

Maybe...try asking for smaller pulls instead of leaving?

Big pulls in EX are a community standard. If tanks don't do it they're at risk of being scolded or kicked. If you don't ask for something else, they will assume the party is good with the typical speed run.

Most tanks will be at least willing to accommodate you if they say "Speedrun!" but you reply with "smaller pulls please." I mean, not all of them, some will leave.

But you certainly can't expect to be accommodated for something you didn't even ask for.

[Enla]

This was on Lakshimi normal. All this ignoring the fact that we had a tank insta-pulling before people could explain what was happening for the newbies, that same tank forgetting Vril constantly and needing to be rezz'd at least five times, a party wipe due to people not understanding the mechanics, then people continuously messing up even up till the end... Like I get not wanting to watch a youtube video for normal content, I do, really I do. But when people are messing up and clearly have no idea what they're doing and refuse to let people explain because they're too impatient, MAAAAAAAYBE it's a good idea?