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    gumas's Avatar
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    ^at least iam glad that, that kind of thing is pretty norm out there.

    i'll be honest, i never met this kind of person, close to this kind of attitude? yes, but never i see one who make list and act like he is sort of king, so this is actually new for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    ^at least iam glad that, that kind of thing is pretty norm out there.

    i'll be honest, i never met this kind of person, close to this kind of attitude? yes, but never i see one who make list and act like he is sort of king, so this is actually new for me.
    Well you better get used to it. When you've spent any length of time playing X or Y game, you'll always meet that online hero who feels it's their duty to tell everyone else how to play, either due to their own self-righteousness or above-mentioned "I had a bad experience. I could have moved on like any normal person, but I think I'll just macro-rant. Maybe that might prevent people from being like the others". Either way, it's just sad and obnoxious when it comes to 'team content' where the best results are from everyone chipping in and doing their best.

    Example, I've met tanks who psyche-up their own importance in chat, using their 'role' as a beating stick whenever something they don't like happens (or is said). Now, a Tank is the spearhead of the group who sets the pace, it's true, and as a Healer I'll happily speed-up or slow-down as their ilevel or confidence (or lack of) demands, but when I see a "Tank Overlord Supremos" - the "I'm the tank, the boss, the big man. You do as I command or thou shalt be punished" -- (of which there are plenty), then you can either fall in line or show them they have no real power. I don't have to Heal them, I can let them die and heal the DPS alone, especially in low-level content (which is, ironically, where this attitude is most prominent, despite tanks being more of a luxury there).

    Don't get me started on the above "Healer" - As one of the most aggressive WHM's you'll meet in content, I cringe any time I see AFK Healing when I'm playing Tank/DPS, but to throw nonsense macros on-top of it, then spend 70% of the dungeon watching my over-geared tank being whittled to 30% by double-trash packs over 20 seconds, then throwing out one-cure and calling it a day... That is the type of poor play and laziness that makes me wish I could strangle people through the internet.

    At the end of the day, we'll ALL encounter situations or players that just don't fit. What's important is how you react vs what you want to achieve from the content. I have no problem trying to teach a lesson, but I do also want to get things done. Sometimes I'll keep quiet and endure, other times I'll just leave. If I wanted to do something less productive than sit around enduring a flame-war or people holding up the group because their ego needs a good stroking, then I'd rather leave the dungeon entirely and pick my nose in search of gold nuggets.

    Not all macroes start off being a "snobby" response, but when ppl take it as such, the macro will grow worse as people continue to be jerks back, only escalating it.
    Nobody said anything about 'all macros'. You're comparing a very deliberate macro explaining a particular issue, to a macro that produces a demand-list for an entire dungeon/the game itself, devised by person who will probably stop playing when those individual rules aren't upheld. Your macro was one of convenience - and judging by your response, you trucked on even when it wasn't considered - yet the above two people aren't saying "Hi, I have a particular problem - I'd appreciate if you compromise". They are saying "I am a delicate flower. This is how it will be, for no reason other than because I say so".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RopeDrink View Post
    Nobody said anything about 'all macros'. You're comparing a very deliberate macro explaining a particular issue, to a macro that produces a demand-list for an entire dungeon/the game itself, devised by person who will probably stop playing when those individual rules aren't upheld. Your macro was one of convenience - and judging by your response, you trucked on even when it wasn't considered - yet the above two people aren't saying "Hi, I have a particular problem - I'd appreciate if you compromise". They are saying "I am a delicate flower. This is how it will be, for no reason other than because I say so".
    Im literally saying the macro you're talking about, most likely originated with a macro like my own. I'm explaining how seeing the end result doesnt show the evolution of that macro. They didn't start the game thinking that way, they had poor experiences, with people who would poorly argue against their perspectives, most likely with "git gud" and of course that only fueled them into thinking they were the right one all along, even though they werent.
    (Trust me, my macro got more aggressive for a bit, until I realized I could use that aggression to manipulate people, which I guess was still aggressive, even though it's intent was to make people not listen to it.)
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