Housing restrictions not fair for individuals.

[Alyanna_Elingval]

bla, the main thing here that you do not seem to get is as its been mentionned several times while some ppl are homeless & will be happy with a small, a ton of us want a medium or a large (FOR PERSONAL USE)

The number of homes owned by individuals before this patch is exactly the same as when it was rolled out. If they hadn't allowed relocations and made it FC only you'd still be in the same spot you are right now. FC would have taken the spots they wanted, and when the wards opened up to new buyers nothing would be any different.

I relocated to a large home, but if I hadn't a FC would have moved into it, I guarantee that. So how would stopping relocations have opened up any of the bigger homes for first-time individual buyers? People are acting like had relocations not been allowed all of these larges and mediums would have magically been available when that's just not the case. The Medium I moved out of was already taken by a FC.

[Ruf]

The number of homes owned by individuals before this patch is exactly the same as when it was rolled out. If they hadn't allowed relocations and made it FC only you'd still be in the same spot you are right now. FC would have taken the spots they wanted, and when the wards opened up to new buyers nothing would be any different.I relocated to a large home, but if I hadn't a FC would have moved into it, I guarantee that. So how would stopping relocations have opened up any of the bigger homes for first-time individual buyers? People are acting like had relocations not been allowed all of these larges and mediums would have magically been available when that's just not the case. The Medium I moved out of was already taken by a FC.

{Quote "myself"}I personally watched 6 get popped in my face{Quote}.(you forgot/didnt read that part,had i not been blocked by that system i would & other individuals could also have picked a medium that went to grandfathered single players or fake fc) We are not acting in any way like you affirm, ITS A FACT i know we would still not have a house if they hadnt added new wards, well matter of fact atm WE STILL DO NOT OWN ONE But the highlight of this is that in no way we look at it like Nice! More wards that still restrict us from equality of a medium or a large while we took time to gather the gils, let me say that 'in theory' its much easier for a group of players to spend together the cost of a med or a large than a single player working his ass off for a year, & believe it or not, not everyone hold onto their gils, some actually held themselves from buying things because this is not a fair system & we were,we are keeping hope. It is not about who relocated, its about jailing the individuals from a chance at getting a nice place of the size they want, theres zero fairness in this for individuals so far.

[DioK]

Have enough houses for every paying customer to get one. Problem solved.

Not possible under the current system, and even with an instanced housing system, there will be an unhappy contingent because they will lament the loss of the RP or will want to link their houses into a persistent town. Thee will always be someone crying foul no matter what you do.

[DioK]

What about when nobody is happy except a small fraction of the community? Just because someone owns the house they want, doesn't mean that they're happy with the system and don't complain about it. House or not ill keep saying something until its fair for everyone.

I think people tend to forget that Final Fantasy is a game, there is nothing wrong with wanting to have the things you have worked for. For a lot of people games are a way to escape real life for a little bit, this housing crisis is too eerily close to how things work IRL. Few get everything they want and everyone else is shafted.

It's almost worse in FF because someone who worked their ass off to get the things they want are LITERALLY being locked out of it.

You don't know for a fact everyone is unhappy. You’re probably just presuming from the forums, but forums are only going to be filled with people complaining. The ones who are happy (or at least content) usually don’t say anything cause they're busy playing the game, enjoying themselves. And I guarantee any system that even you come up with will have some way it can be exploited, and there will be a significant contingent of gamers who will do, because that's just how they behave. The result will be, of course, an unfair situation will cause discord and discontent. As long as you have people who are determinedly unwilling to share or play well with others, situations like the current housing issue will form and persist no matter what you do. Not going to say SE could not have come up with a better system, but no system they ever come up with is ever going to yield a perfect solution cause it’s always the players who will seek to break it.

Also, in regard to your last statement, sometimes you don’t get what you want, no matter how hard you work for it. That's life. You learn to live with it and keep moving forward.

[Penthea]

Also, in regard to your last statement, sometimes you don’t get what you want, no matter how hard you work for it. That's life. You learn to live with it and keep moving forward.

This can't really be compared with ff housing. Usually in real life if you want a product, you'll eventually get it provided you have the money. Maybe it's out of stock when you get the cash together, but it will be restocked at some point soon enough and then you'll have it. In real life if you have the money for something, someone will find a way to sell it to you.

This is not the case with housing in ff. There are players who have had the gil for years and still don't have a house. The want to throw their gil at a placard but they can't.

If we were to compare the Shirogane launch with a corresponding real life event...well it would be like queuing in a long line as far as the eye can see, while randomly being kicked to the back of the line even if you managed to actually get into the shop and speak with the shop assistant at the counter. Needless to say this sort of thing doesn't really happen in real life.

[DioK]

Usually in real life if you want a product, you'll eventually get it provided you have the money. Maybe it's out of stock when you get the cash together, but it will be restocked at some point soon enough and then you'll have it. In real life if you have the money for something, someone will find a way to sell it to you.

In real life, there are cases where that is not true. I've been in those cases and seen others be in those cases. No, just like in real life, you don't always get what you want and you can't have everything your way. Sometimes you just have to be adult and deal with it.

Honestly, guys, if you really feel that bad about it all and having the entirety of your fun with the game being ruined, rather than waste time and energy pissing about it, just go find another game with which you will find more enjoyment.

I won’t claim the current system is perfect, cause it's not. But, in my opinion, it’s a helluva lot better than before. At least when individual housing opens, there will be people that will get a house (at least on my server, Ultros, there were tons of lots sitting vacant in all districts, last I looked, which was yesterday). Further, there is now the explicit restriction of 1 FC house and 1 personal house per account per server. That enforcement didn’t exist previously, but now it does. Now one thing I would have like to have seen is incentive given to multiple house owners (of which I am not, by the way) to give up some of their houses to make more available for those who don't yet have one. Before, there were many FCs that were homeless; now, that is not so true. Individuals have multiple options for housing, a personal house, an apartment, a private room within an FC. As far as I know, an FC has precisely 1 option for house and that is to buy a house. So, I can easily see why the priority would be given to FCs. And, yet, despite, there still remains, after the addition of wards, a fair number of houses available for individuals, a situation that did not exist prior. Furthermore, as far as I know, the demolition timing is back on; so, there is a possibility, in the future, that houses will become open. Even further, the random timer on a freed lot becoming available for purchase makes house flipping somewhat more difficult, at least not without leaving an obvious trail of FC name changing and ownership hand-off.

However, no matter what you do, there will always be those bad apples that will seek to ruin it for others, either for their own self gain or twisted amusement. Just like in real life, there are plenty of laws intended to stop people from doing certain immoral or unethical things, but people find ways to do them anyway. Also, just like in real life, nothing stops you from going out and murdering a bunch of people other than your own morals, ethics, sense of decency, or just fear of retribution should you get caught, no matter what laws may exist. Again, it's not the rules or the system that is the problem; the problem is the behavior and mindset of the people playing the game. As long as there are those people bound and determined to not share or play well with others (like the case of FCs splintering into small groups to buy up entire wards), there will always be a problem, no matter what the rules say. About the only case for which that might not be true would be if there is no housing at all, a position I could easily agree with, given the behavior of players in this game, despite myself owning a cottage in Shirogane (I was lucky enough to relocate to the exact plot I had originally wanted when Shirogane first opened, and I did so like 4 hours after the servers had gone live).

Now, I expect when individual housing opens, it will again be a shxxshow just like last time, but presumably, a greater number of individuals will be successful in buying a house.

[Groundhogg]

~ How do you start a new post on here? I wrote to the devs who told me to come here and post my issue but I cant figure out how to start a new topic.

[Ruf]

In real life, there are cases where that is not true. I've been in those cases and seen others be in those cases. No, just like in real life, you don't always get what you want and you can't have everything your way. Sometimes you just have to be adult and deal with it.

Thats such an easy thing to say versus standing your ground, im not one to accept bs sorry

[Ruf]

If i cant do anything about it, then i cant do anything about it, but i will still voice things outloud for sure

[Ruf]

~ How do you start a new post on here? I wrote to the devs who told me to come here and post my issue but I cant figure out how to start a new topic.

You have to be on the housing page(assuming your post is about housing else you need to be under a different category) where all posts subject titles are, top left of page Index of forum > english forum > gameplay > housing then there top left still underneath that write a new subject