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  1. #11
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    Almagnus1's Avatar
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    Maley Oakensage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashgordon1975 View Post
    I can't disagree with that. I think any content gated behind an FC is silly. Some people do not want to be in an FC.
    With the exception of gardening, airships, and subs, every single amenity in an FC house is publicly available elsewhere in the game.

    FFXIV doesn't have to cater to everyone, as that's the fastest way to ruin a good MMO. Look at what happened to WoW when they started down that path in Cata, and look where WoW is now.

    And quite honestly, this situation needs to be resolved quickly and forcibly. It's shameful that SE has allowed this housing debacle to persist this long.
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Restrict Large houses to FC only.
    Why? The advantages to having a large are not amazing. You get one extra garden patch (many players couldn't give a hoot about that) and you can have all the crafting stations (which only work to lvl 50 so they don't get used much now). Since the vendor cap has increased the need for having a large has dropped a lot. If having a large somehow affected fc rooms or the workshop it would mean something, but they don't.

    Not all fcs want a mansion and some solo players do. Don't assume to speak for other fcs by saying mansions should only be reserved for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Restrict housing NPCs to FC only.
    What does this achieve? How does this make anything better for anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Increase garden spaces on all houses to the large house capacity.
    If you mean the gardening patches, then I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Add five wards to all neighborhoods with every major patch (4.3, 4.4, 5.0) until the issue is resolved.
    Housing isn't the only major content in the game. Doing this would make other content suffer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Forcibly release houses are are in violation to the ownership terms defined in 4.2 and provide the owners at least a month of warning prior to the patch this goes live to make arrangements so the automated rules don't do it for them.
    Players who owned several houses before 4.2 aren't violating anything. SE have said this themselves. Likely they will take away excess housing when all characters on the same server can have access to the same private home.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    Players who owned several houses before 4.2 aren't violating anything. SE have said this themselves. Likely they will take away excess housing when all characters on the same server can have access to the same private home.
    Then give a good explanation why they should be allowed to be an exception to the same rules everyone else has to follow.

    There should be no exceptions, and SE should just force the issue and enforce their housing rules on everyone. No one player should be able to control more than two houses - that's exactly what they buy guidelines suggest, and that's exactly what SE should enforce.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    With the exception of gardening, airships, and subs, every single amenity in an FC house is publicly available elsewhere in the game.
    Please show me aetherial wheel stands outside of an FC house. I'll wait. (Please don't try and say anything about how you don't need it. You have to use it to get the grade 3 buffs.)

    I love the look of the level 6 compacted aetherial wheel stand and wanted one in my personal house. It says nothing about not being able to be placed in a personal, so I made a level 6 wheel stand and traded it into the vendor for a compact one. I was super disappointed to not be able to place it in my personal house.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Then give a good explanation why they should be allowed to be an exception to the same rules everyone else has to follow.
    I didn't say I disagree with you. I merely informed you of SE's stance on it. They have explicitly said that the 4.2 restrictions won't affect anyone who bought their houses before 4.2. I agree these people should be forced to let go of their excess housing, but that would mean making characters suddenly become homeless. It would make sense for them to do this when all characters have access to the same private home.

    And while we're on about explanations, please explain the advantage of taking housing npcs away from private homes. Out of your entire list this one is astonishingly illogical and useless from what I can see.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    There should be no exceptions
    You're right about that one little part; there should be no exceptions. Every character that has been leveled and meets the requirements should be able to purchase their own home. Separate characters on an account are treated as their own individual beings/ accounts/ whatever you want to call it. Heck, even bonus codes for items bought on the SE store are starting to say "This item will be distributed to a single character of your choice on a selected service account." If that's not treating each character separately, I don't know what is. Your multiple characters cannot even share a house (unless you were lucky enough to take advantage of a glitch some time ago in game where you got to add them to your friends list), so why shouldn't one player be able to "control more than two houses"? The problem here is a bad system that they're slowing working on, not the players with more than 1 house.
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  7. #17
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    Because you can’t punish people for things that weren’t against the rules when they did them. Anytime you hear the term grandfathered in, someone is getting something or having different rules applied to them than someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    In no particular order, here are the next batch of changes SE should make to the housing system:
    1. Restrict Large houses to FC only.
    2. Restrict housing NPCs to FC only.
    3. Increase garden spaces on all houses to the large house capacity.
    4. Add five wards to all neighborhoods with every major patch (4.3, 4.4, 5.0) until the issue is resolved.
    5. Forcibly release houses are are in violation to the ownership terms defined in 4.2 and provide the owners at least a month of warning prior to the patch this goes live to make arrangements so the automated rules don't do it for them.
    It's time to slay this problem and end the slum lords for good.

    Otherwise we're going to keep seeing videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znbBHGzjSB0 appear because the housing system is fundamentally flawed.
    NO TO # 1. NO to # 2. Who do you think you are lmao?
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  9. #19
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    basically they indirectly rewarded those who used the loophole by giving them first pick on wards, if anything using the loophole deserves punishment, becuase there is no excuse that could justify owning more than one house+ fc house
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besame View Post
    NO TO # 1. NO to # 2. Who do you think you are lmao?
    someone who thinks a single person doesn't need a large?
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