Housing Suggestions

[Dustytome]

The problem is the amenities a house provides are too good, especially when it's attached per house and further per fc. When a 500 person fc and a 1 person fc both with the same size house - have access to the same number of airships and the same number of gardens, someone botched up the design somewhere along the line. If you keep these things attached to housing, but remove the incentive for having multiple houses for these amenities, you might see a lot fewer of these satellite fcs crop up. Figuring out a way to provide gardens/airships locked to characters or accounts would help. Gardens could be fairly simple with a greenhouse room/botany lab where players can unlock gardens for their characters/account (plus we could be rid of the scarecrows, bonus!). Airships might take some brainstorming, like one per account and unlocked via a large sum of gil. Keep the fc a requirement if you need to, but an fc + house shouldn't just net you up to 4 airships and however many submersibles we end up with.

[Almagnus1]

The problem is the amenities a house provides are too good, especially when it's attached per house and further per fc.

I agree, and until there's no functional difference across all houses, or FC housing is superior to personal housing, I don't think we're gonna see much change.

If you keep these things attached to housing, but remove the incentive for having multiple houses for these amenities, you might see a lot fewer of these satellite fcs crop up.

That's the goal.

[QUOTE=Dustytome;4569525]Gardens could be fairly simple with a greenhouse room/botany lab where players can unlock gardens for their characters/account (plus we could be rid of the scarecrows, bonus!).

That would make sense in Gridania, perhaps as an unlockable through the Botanist?

Airships might take some brainstorming, like one per account and unlocked via a large sum of gil. Keep the fc a requirement if you need to, but an fc + house shouldn't just net you up to 4 airships and however many submersibles we end up with.

Isn't there a Garlond Ironworks office in Mor Dhona that we can use personally? I mean, it's not like we don't have a story connection to Cid and co in game or anything... oh wait...

[Flashgordon1975]

The problem is the amenities a house provides are too good, especially when it's attached per house and further per fc. When a 500 person fc and a 1 person fc both with the same size house - have access to the same number of airships and the same number of gardens, someone botched up the design somewhere along the line. If you keep these things attached to housing, but remove the incentive for having multiple houses for these amenities, you might see a lot fewer of these satellite fcs crop up. Figuring out a way to provide gardens/airships locked to characters or accounts would help. Gardens could be fairly simple with a greenhouse room/botany lab where players can unlock gardens for their characters/account (plus we could be rid of the scarecrows, bonus!). Airships might take some brainstorming, like one per account and unlocked via a large sum of gil. Keep the fc a requirement if you need to, but an fc + house shouldn't just net you up to 4 airships and however many submersibles we end up with.

People act like the rank and file members have access to all of this. That is simply not the case in most instances....so please stop using the access to facilities as a reason. It is infuriating..This is why you see personal FC's popping up.

[MizArai]

People act like the rank and file members have access to all of this. That is simply not the case in most instances....so please stop using the access to facilities as a reason. It is infuriating..This is why you see personal FC's popping up.

Dusty is trying to make an argument for giving these to people, like personal gardening plots via Botanist Guild in Gridania or maybe just renting space from some poor farmer sap in Gridania or La Noscea. People having access to personal airships through Garlond Ironworks in Mor Dhona, or maybe whatever the airship company was in Ul'dah via Ixal beastman tribe unlock (after so much rep heir-kid or daddy could grant us access), or maybe even through Foundation where we can use airships to go to diadem. I believe they're trying to give other options besides having personal FCs for people to be able to use these amenities. Which really sounds like a great idea to me.

[Dustytome]

People act like the rank and file members have access to all of this. That is simply not the case in most instances....so please stop using the access to facilities as a reason. It is infuriating..This is why you see personal FC's popping up.

It's not currently the case no. If you're fc doesn't allow that access you have to branch off and create your own fc and take up another house just for that access currently. The point of the suggestion is to alleviate the need for more houses to be taken up just for garden/airship access. Imagine if the fc that took up all those plots just for additional workshop access could have just purchased (through gil via the workshop) a submarine slot for each character or each account and buying further houses provided no additional benefit other than having the house?

[Flashgordon1975]

I can't disagree with that. I think any content gated behind an FC is silly. Some people do not want to be in an FC.

[Almagnus1]

I can't disagree with that. I think any content gated behind an FC is silly. Some people do not want to be in an FC.

With the exception of gardening, airships, and subs, every single amenity in an FC house is publicly available elsewhere in the game.

FFXIV doesn't have to cater to everyone, as that's the fastest way to ruin a good MMO. Look at what happened to WoW when they started down that path in Cata, and look where WoW is now.

And quite honestly, this situation needs to be resolved quickly and forcibly. It's shameful that SE has allowed this housing debacle to persist this long.

[MizArai]

With the exception of gardening, airships, and subs, every single amenity in an FC house is publicly available elsewhere in the game.

Please show me aetherial wheel stands outside of an FC house. I'll wait. (Please don't try and say anything about how you don't need it. You have to use it to get the grade 3 buffs.)

I love the look of the level 6 compacted aetherial wheel stand and wanted one in my personal house. It says nothing about not being able to be placed in a personal, so I made a level 6 wheel stand and traded it into the vendor for a compact one. I was super disappointed to not be able to place it in my personal house.

[Almagnus1]

Please show me aetherial wheel stands outside of an FC house. I'll wait. (Please don't try and say anything about how you don't need it. You have to use it to get the grade 3 buffs.)

Oh noes, I overlooked a single FC only function so my argument is invalid. /s

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