Housing restrictions not fair for individuals.

[Cinno]

No, the fairest way to fix it would have been to actually fix it. This isn't fair except for some unique definitions of "fair" that mean something else. All this did was stick another band aid on the problem and perpetuate the two-tiered system of winners and losers that SE keeps trying to push as a housing system, despite that being absolutely unacceptable in every other part of the game.

Let me adjust my statement: Within the current (bad) system the devs have designed, and without spending the necessary dev time and large chunk of the (presumably small) budget given to them by SE, this is the fairest thing they could have done.

We have to be realistic, they have invested too much time and too much money in the Wards system to justify scrapping it and starting over, and starting over is the only way they can fix the mess they've created. So, without them starting over completely, making it so the people that actually need the space (FC's) can get it over the people that simply want the space, was a fair choice.

Individual players can function just fine without a house. FC's meanwhile, are hindered by not having access to basics like gardening, airships/subs, company worshop as a whole, and the use of the aetherial wheel for fc buffs (which is helpful for smaller fc's that are lacking in credits.)

So they release the housing system as broken on patch 1.0 and it's still not fixed by 4.2? They have players who have paid $60 which is a full priced game, on top of paying $15 a month just to play the game which is more than an xbox live membership and I'm expected to believe that this situation isn't preventable? It's not a matter of being new, it's a matter of common sense.

Common sense should also dictate that sometimes 'fixing' things isnt so easy when it comes to technical stuff, especially code. Common sense should also dictate that, even though they are getting all this money from us in the form of us buying the game, and paying the subs, they dont actually see that money.

SE gets the money yes, but the actual team that are developing this game don't see it. They are given a budget by SE, they are told "This is exactly how much money you are allowed to spend on this game" and have to stay within that budget when alloting dev time and resources. Some things are simply too much of an undertaking for them to do without making the game suffer in other areas. A complete revamp like the housing system would require (or for the spaghetti code to be rewritten) would be something that would have to be adjusted between expansions, and even then it would take away from other content they would be able to bring us in the expansion. x amount of money spent paying the dev time for working on the housing revamp that could have been spent on them developing new content.

It's a tradeoff.

[HoloKraft]

Individual players can function just fine without a house. FC's meanwhile, are hindered by not having access to basics like gardening, airships/subs, company worshop as a whole, and the use of the aetherial wheel for fc buffs

I understand you're feelings on the matter but you have to realize that you're looking at it in a completely bias way. The people who start a small guild and WANT to do things like gardening, have airships, and company workshops should have the ability to, because that's how THEY want to enjoy the game. For us individuals we want to have the ability to CRAFT our own housing items, to GARDEN our own areas, and have our own space to continuously work on. I absolutely HATE doing dungeons, the only sense of joy I get out of this game is crafting and getting to work on a house.

We pay just as much as the members of that FC, how come the way I want to enjoy the game is less important than the way THEY want to enjoy it?

[Cinno]

We pay just as much as the members of that FC, how come the way I want to enjoy the game is less important than the way THEY want to enjoy it?

Because the Free Companies need it. You simply want it.

Having access to mechanics that are important for basic functions of a free company > your desire to decorate a house.

[HoloKraft]

Because the Free Companies need it. You simply want it.

Having access to mechanics that are important for basic functions of a free company > your desire to decorate a house.

Did you even read the post V.V

FC members don't NEED it any more than us individuals NEED our own space. If they can't use the workshops then they are missing out on a part of the game they want to enjoy, if we can't get our own space to decorate we're missing out on a part of the game WE want to enjoy. You cannot possibly justify that an FC's wants are more important than anyone elses, so many other MMOs have found a compromise and a AAA company like SE should have figured it out by now.

[KaivaC]

Did you even read the post V.V

FC members don't NEED it any more than us individuals NEED our own space. If they can't use the workshops then they are missing out on a part of the game they want to enjoy, if we can't get our own space to decorate we're missing out on a part of the game WE want to enjoy. You cannot possibly justify that an FC's wants are more important than anyone elses, so many other MMOs have found a compromise and a AAA company like SE should have figured it out by now.

What? Is this a serious comparison post? You're comparing having ' your own space' to the buffs, airships, and crafting workshops available to an FC? No, you want to enjoy decorating a house. FCs need these things in order to properly function as, you guessed it, an FC. I don't agree with the situation the devs have painted for us, but this is the best solution that they can give at this point in time. If you want your own space, be like the rest of us hoping for a personal house and just wait. Or are you proposing we have another Shirogane Extreme episode. That went extremely well.

[metrolink]

Did you even read the post V.V

FC members don't NEED it any more than us individuals NEED our own space. If they can't use the workshops then they are missing out on a part of the game they want to enjoy, if we can't get our own space to decorate we're missing out on a part of the game WE want to enjoy. You cannot possibly justify that an FC's wants are more important than anyone elses, so many other MMOs have found a compromise and a AAA company like SE should have figured it out by now.

FC affect a much larger group than you. Haven't you ever made use of the EXP bonus, MGP bonus, crafting bonus or any other of the FC buffs? You're comparing your needs to the needs of 4-50 people

[Rymm]

I understand you're feelings on the matter but you have to realize that you're looking at it in a completely bias way.

Pot, meet kettle.

[HoloKraft]

Pot, meet kettle.

Did I or did I NOT say that the FC's needs are EQUAL to the individuals? All I hear from these pro FC posts is that they are more important than the individuals needs, which I have NEVER said at any point. Again, it's astonishing how people don't actually read posts before $ht posting.

[Cinno]

All I hear from these pro FC posts is that their needs are more important than the individuals wants*,

Fixed it for you ^

Also laying down and saying NOTHING doesn't help the situation either. If we don't make our voices heard nothing gets done. It would straight up be wrong to not voice my opinion because the truth hurts, I can't imagine how many subs this game has lost because of stuff like this. You won't have a house to log back into if the game gets shut down due to lack of subs, then we all lose.

Also since you seem to be missing the point, let me repeat where i stated the reasons why, no matter how much you complain, they cant just fix the system.

Common sense should also dictate that sometimes 'fixing' things isnt so easy when it comes to technical stuff, especially code. Common sense should also dictate that, even though they are getting all this money from us in the form of us buying the game, and paying the subs, they dont actually see that money.

SE gets the money yes, but the actual team that are developing this game don't see it. They are given a budget by SE, they are told "This is exactly how much money you are allowed to spend on this game" and have to stay within that budget when alloting dev time and resources. Some things are simply too much of an undertaking for them to do without making the game suffer in other areas. A complete revamp like the housing system would require (or for the spaghetti code to be rewritten) would be something that would have to be adjusted between expansions, and even then it would take away from other content they would be able to bring us in the expansion. x amount of money spent paying the dev time for working on the housing revamp that could have been spent on them developing new content.

It's a tradeoff.

Tl;dr - How much we pay for the subs doesnt matter in the slightest and the team actually working on the game doesnt see any of that money. They are given a budget, and rather than spending that budget to completely rebuild the housing system (which is what it would take to make the system truly fair), they choose to use the money in the budget to bring us new content.

[HoloKraft]

Fixed it for you ^

Way to admit that you're in the wrong, it's clear that you can't come up with a counter argument and defend your stance. What do you define as a need?