Suggestions on how to improve the Glamour Dresser

[NephthysVasudan]

Dye preview is a good suggestion. I'm not sure if that's something that's going to give them trouble, but definitely something hopefully they've considered.

You could always put the glamour plate on and then dye preview it anyway. Works for me.

But yeah..would be nice to fiddle with things without installing them.

[HipiraVon-Horrificus]

My only suggestion would be to let me take stuff OUT of the dresser.

[Squintina]

The way I see it, they can improve it in stages (and maybe that is already their plan).

Here's how I would do it if I were them.

Stage 1: current version
reasoning:Restricted for testing out loads

Stage 2: converting an item doesn't remove it. It places its image into the dresser and leaves it in the inventory
reasoning:Gets it closer to a "glamour log"

Stage 3: Item increase to 1000
reasoning:Gets it closer to a "glamour log"

Stage 4: Improved plates
More of them, ability to sort and name them
reasoning: some people REALLY like to make lots of outfits

Stage 5: Out of city plates
Glamour plates can be applied outside of city, with a cooldown of 5 minutes.
reasoning: cooldowns to help with server data load

Stage 6: Out of city dresser
Dresser itself can be magically summoned outside of city, with a cooldown of 10 minutes
reasoning: cooldowns to help with server data load

Stage 7: Single application
Having the dresser open allows an image to be chosen and immediately applied to current outfit
Reasoning: some people might have used up all their plates but want to use the dresser to do a small change, maybe for a special event

Stage 8: Item limit expanded to cover as many items as exist in the game.
reasoning:Gets it closer to a "glamour log"

Why did I not include a stage for taking things out of the dresser?
Well stage 2 would stop that from being needed (sorry to the people who did it in stage 1)

[Krotoan]

The way I see it, they can improve it in stages (and maybe that is already their plan).

Here's how I would do it if I were them.


Stage 8: Item limit expanded to cover as many items as exist in the game.
reasoning:Gets it closer to a "glamour log"

Why did I not include a stage for taking things out of the dresser?
Well stage 2 would stop that from being needed (sorry to the people who did it in stage 1)

What's the point of having the item still if all you needed it for was glamour anyway?
If the system progresses as you've thought out, removing the item seems smarter in a system balance way than not since it would remove more inflated mat prices from dissed material recovery and conversion.


If the system is working correctly (as in ideally) there is no need to retain the original item as an item. I'm still at a loss as to why people continue to cling to the retrieval being necessary even when a hypothetical situation where the original is not needed anymore is presented.

[Hasrat]

To be fair, there's enough cases of players still wanting to utilize the manual glamour options, either in conjunction with the Dresser plates, or in lieu of them. These are the players that want to "mix and match" their glamour approach, and so still "need" the items available to glamour manually.

The only way to reach a point where this need is reduced is to increase capacity and also expand access to the Dresser system beyond the Inn. Once there, maybe then some of these players can move away from their need for manual glamour items. But we're not there yet, so it's perfectly valid for them to be concerned about having access to those items for manual glamour.

Now, personally, I still don't quite get why they're set on glamouring that way, but that's just because I've never been one to extensively glamour, myself, and so it doesn't really seem like my place to question how any player wants to approach how they use any system.

[Squintina]

What's the point of having the item still if all you needed it for was glamour anyway?
If the system progresses as you've thought out, removing the item seems smarter in a system balance way than not since it would remove more inflated mat prices from dissed material recovery and conversion.


If the system is working correctly (as in ideally) there is no need to retain the original item as an item. I'm still at a loss as to why people continue to cling to the retrieval being necessary even when a hypothetical situation where the original is not needed anymore is presented.

To be honest I feel the same way you do. I only included that because of those people. In theory if it reached all the stages I put in, it wouldn't even matter because the only reason to want it back (the single glamouring) is fixed in the other stages I put in.

[Krotoan]

To be fair, there's enough cases of players still wanting to utilize the manual glamour options, either in conjunction with the Dresser plates, or in lieu of them. These are the players that want to "mix and match" their glamour approach, and so still "need" the items available to glamour manually.

The only way to reach a point where this need is reduced is to increase capacity and also expand access to the Dresser system beyond the Inn. Once there, maybe then some of these players can move away from their need for manual glamour items. But we're not there yet, so it's perfectly valid for them to be concerned about having access to those items for manual glamour.
Now, personally, I still don't quite get why they're set on glamouring that way, but that's just because I've never been one to extensively glamour, myself, and so it doesn't really seem like my place to question how any player wants to approach how they use any system.

Currently I see the need to get back an item. If what we have is the final product (oh god please no) then yes, we NEED to be able to retrieve items from the dresser. But if the capacity is expanded and the ability to glamour NPCs with plates is added, there is then no further reason to have the retrieval. I'm actually referring to another thread I had where even when I presented the perfected system as a whole, people still seemed to either misunderstand me, or persist in insisting they were "losing" the items.

I get why people would want to change one item at a time , or even just have the pieces available at the market board to "demo" an outfit without buying the expensive pieces. I don't think we should squash what they want to do, but I think that some compromises on one side or the other will have to be made so that constraints with the game itself can be circumvented for expanded functionality or storage.

To be honest I feel the same way you do. I only included that because of those people. In theory if it reached all the stages I put in, it wouldn't even matter because the only reason to want it back (the single glamouring) is fixed in the other stages I put in.

It's nice to hear that I'm not insane. I still cannot figure out what the attachment is to the items themselves for some people.

[Hasrat]

Exactly it. Any player that believes this is at all indicative of the final version, or players that don't believe it will be adequately expanded, will still be hesitant.

I mean, to be fair, we are rather optimistic, hoping that some of these obvious improvements are well within their capacity. But, personally, I'm not quite jaded enough to believe devs would expect such limitations to be acceptable in the long run and not plan on lifting those restrictions.

[Holy_Dragoon]

If the limitation stays as is, the ability to get items back is a must. I have sets I've sunk good time/money into, and would not want this gear to just go to waste due to not having enough room in the glamour box. Re-obtaining it would be very time consuming as some of it is old content. Right now switching between Glamour Plate and non-Plate sets is an absolute nightmare!

For example, to wear a swimsuit, then go back to what you were just wearing.

Old way:
Create a gear set with current gear before starting. Push 'C' and 2 clicks.
Ensure you grab the following off your retainer or armoire: swimsuit legs, body, and maybe feet (sandals)
Equip your swimsuit legs, body, and feet (if you have sandals).
Unequip the other slots you don't want to show.
Create a gearset using equipped gear. (again 'C' and 2 clicks)
Put both gearsets on a hotbar (or even marco it)
Click each set depending on what you want. Easy swapping!! Forever.


New way:
Create Glam Plate with suit legs, body, feet
Add Emperors hands, head, feet if required, earring, choker, bracelet, ring1, ring2 to the dressor. (what a waste of slots for empty gear...)
Before you even bother using this glam plate, ensure the following are in your inventory: current glam head, body, hand, legs, feet, earring, choker, bracelet, ring1, ring2.
Swap to your glam plate and go swimming!
To Swap Back........
Glam a your old head
Glam a your old body
Glam a your old hands
Glam a your old legs
Glam a your old feet
Glam a your old choker
Glam a your old earring
Glam a your old bracelet
Glam a your old ring
Now Do this EVERY TIME you want to go swimming

I did just this while trying out the new system, it took me 30 minutes to hit up all the locations needed to fix it + cost of glamour prisms / dyes.

I could technically add my current gear-set into the dresser beforehand, then swap between the two plates. My current set was an invested set, cost me 1 million+ in gil, parts of the set could be used to level other jobs, so I can't just let it be a glamour. It still has value. I will not let that value go to a dresser where I can never use it again.

[Mimilu]

Added several of your suggestions to the list. ;D