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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan View Post
    as far as i understand, with limited experience with Stone, Sky, Sea... isnt it limited to HW trial difficulty only?
    There's two areas with SSS dummies: The first being unlocked in Idyllshire for the HW trials, and the second at Rhalgr's Reach for the SB trials. You have to unlock the HW SSS dummies before the SB ones, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson View Post
    There's two areas with SSS dummies: The first being unlocked in Idyllshire for the HW trials, and the second at Rhalgr's Reach for the SB trials. You have to unlock the HW SSS dummies before the SB ones, of course.
    Thanks, the consolegameswiki page is not up-to-date
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    SSS is an indicator of raw DPS ability, it does not take into account mechanics, positionals or party contributions that are integral parts of Savage raiding. While it is a decent indicator that you have the DPS to successfully complete the instance, it does nothing to show that you have the mechanical skill to do so and as such is useless in indicating a good player from a bad one.
    But...
    If someone can't complete the SSS for the trial...

    Wouldn't that mean they aren't proficient enough with their job to be queueing into that content in the first place?


    That seems like a fair benchmark to set as a toggle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    But...
    If someone can't complete the SSS for the trial...

    Wouldn't that mean they aren't proficient enough with their job to be queueing into that content in the first place?


    That seems like a fair benchmark to set as a toggle...
    Not exactly. Some jobs aren't tuned properly for SSS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    But...
    If someone can't complete the SSS for the trial...

    Wouldn't that mean they aren't proficient enough with their job to be queueing into that content in the first place?


    That seems like a fair benchmark to set as a toggle...
    this, I support the idea. It is basically saying you know the basics enough to put out a lot of dps. If you can't even beat it, your not going to help the group beat savage with mechanics in place. It should be able to reorganize you cleared it with the job you are on.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconMoore View Post
    I'll tell you straight up a SSS achieve isn't going to net you what you want. I had to kick so many Gold plus WoW proving ground trash players it's not even funny...

    Build a static, pugs are always going to be a grab bag at best.
    It does not matter, it filters out one of the problems:

    person x is bad at rotations > fail
    Person x is good with rotations but learning how to adapt it to the run < a much better start point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    It does not matter, it filters out one of the problems:

    person x is bad at rotations > fail
    Person x is good with rotations but learning how to adapt it to the run < a much better start point.
    Not really. All you're doing is giving someone a hoop to jump thru that you yourself did not see them jump through. You have no idea how hard it was for them to jump thru it or if they even did it themselves. All you know is they have a SSS. It doesn't mean they will try and not try to be carried instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconMoore View Post
    Not really. All you're doing is giving someone a hoop to jump thru that you yourself did not see them jump through. You have no idea how hard it was for them to jump thru it or if they even did it themselves. All you know is they have a SSS. It doesn't mean they will try and not try to be carried instead.
    What you said does not counter what I said.

    Can't clear the SSS dummy > guaranteed fail < this is filtered out.
    Past the SSS dummy? much better chance/ start then ^ that

    not hard concept.

    Ofc we know it will not fix all fails, but it is a better start point, that is all people want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    What you said does not counter what I said.

    Can't clear the SSS dummy > guaranteed fail < this is filtered out.
    And you know they didn't have a friend do it for them, how exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan View Post
    Thanks, the consolegameswiki page is not up-to-date
    That is the absolute last info source you want to use for this game, trust me.

    Also regarding this thread forcing a SSS clear requirement won't change anything. Even if you have the DPS capacity that doesn't mean you will employ it properly, and some people might just get lazy and want a carry anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe777 View Post
    That is the absolute last info source you want to use for this game, trust me.

    Also regarding this thread forcing a SSS clear requirement won't change anything. Even if you have the DPS capacity that doesn't mean you will employ it properly, and some people might just get lazy and want a carry anyway.
    it was a cursory search, but duly noted. thank!
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