4.2 Housing Update

[CitizenEorzea]

I have been wanting to purchase a housing plot ever since I came back after a long unavoidable break from the game (life happens) but a lack of gil initially prevented me from doing so and now until the new plots open every plot on my server is gone. Which leaves utilizing an FC house or purchasing an Apartment, both are nice if limited in options. One of those limits being not able to personalise an outdoor space and in the case of an Apartment no outdoor space at all which is frustrating especially if your interested in Gardening.
I would love it if the Apartments had a Communal Garden space with a portion attached to each Apartment and also if there was a size option with corresponding gil amounts for said Apartments similar to the size and gil amount options for housing plots.

[Amomomo]

... a Communal Garden space with a portion attached to each Apartment and also if there was a size option...

In the LL announcing 4.2, Yoshi P stated (I'm pretty sure) that there are plans to implement similar changes to the apartment system to make it more versatile - in the far future though.

Welcome to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Darrcyphfeid]

- An organize cartel to do it or at least running multiple service accounts.

Nope. An FC of 4 people =/= an FC of 4 characters on unique service accounts =/= an FC of 4 people of X level or greater.

- House flipping contain certain risk, the idea is always grab the house from the system at the base price and sell it at 2-5 time more than it's worth. I don't think paying 500mil for a Shirogane mansion to flip it at 1000mil is a good prospect. Why 1000mil you ask? Because I wouldn't risk paying 500mil to a flipper only to flip it to 600mil and earn a filmsy 50mil profit with a 550mil investment.

I'm deeply confused by this; I don't follow your train of thought. The most expensive plot in the game costs 50 million.

In the LL announcing 4.2, Yoshi P stated (I'm pretty sure) that there are plans to implement similar changes to the apartment system to make it more versatile - in the far future though.

They said they'll look into allowing apartments to be upgraded to medium and large sizes in the future, yes. They have, however, stated that (currently) adding balconies/lawns isn't possible due to the way they're implemented.

[Amomomo]

I'm deeply confused by this; I don't follow your train of thought. The most expensive plot in the game costs 50 million.

I think he meant that, from a house flipper's point of view, in order of make a decent/good profit they have to ensure that they atleast charge 175% (if not double) of the amount of gil they invested into the property.

Example: buy a plot at plot price e.g. grade 1 medium at 20mil. Then later on, at least change 40mil for relinquish.
Then, whoever that paid 40mil to get that plot, will prefer to at least be paid 60-100mil for their trouble (cost was 40mil relinquish+20mil plot).

However, it is unlikely that veteran house flippers would be dumb enough to pay too much relinquish fee. They would instead, prey on unknowing players who sell at below market price in addition to grabbing as many plots at plot price whenever wards are added. Not to mention they would prey on auto-demo as well.

They would, I assume, grab plots at plot price whenever chances do pop up, then simply triple the price to compete with players who want a price tag that cover both the plot and relinquish price.

Not to mention just throw some bots/alts in the empty house under a shell FC - easily triple/quadriple the plot price. E.g. I've seen people selling medium with FCs for 65+mil, and large for 150mil+ (not even Shirogane).

Still better than pre-plot price nerf - medium relinquish was easily 80mil.

[Raven2014]

Nope. An FC of 4 people =/= an FC of 4 characters on unique service accounts =/= an FC of 4 people of X level or greater.


I'm deeply confused by this; I don't follow your train of thought. The most expensive plot in the game costs 50 million.

The point is: once you buy a house, that account is "locked" from buying others. Yes, you can "play" the system by moving things around a bit, but this vastly reduce the chance of acquiring multiple houses. Flipper still have to contest legitimate buyers for the initial lots, and that's always a tough fight. In fact, even before this the multiple houses weren't as big a problem people are making it out to be. For example in the last release you can't buy a maximum of 2 houses for a simple reason of they are all gone within 5 minutes. After grabbing a house, the time it takes for you to log out and log back in on another character would render the point moot.


I don't think my 2nd point is confusing. Since it's more difficult to do a land grab on 1 account now, you can't flip it reliably any more. If anything, if they still want to do it, the flippers will now have to play more of a broker, and even then it'll be difficult for them.

The only way even for an FC to relocate, is that they must have a house already active. So if say, and I guess this is what you saying: they can have 5 people (minimum if they want to buy more than 4 lots) grabbing 4 separate lots, then use the FC loophole to transfer the ownership to 1 person in the initial land grab. That's still it for them. Even if the other 4 people of the group are free to buy other lots, chance is slim that there are still lots available at that point. Even if they negotiate a relinquish later, they still have to use one of their original "stock" house to guarantee the owner ship due to the relinquish timer. This is why this system both mean it's harder to build the initial stock, and pretty much impossible to add more to the stock later.

There is only one other way for them to increase their stock after the first wave, and that is negotiate a FC transfer from a third party. Which is what my 500mil comment is about. Whoever gonna transfer the house ain't gonna do it for the original cost, a 50mil Shirogane Mansion will go for 300-500mil easily if the demand is there, that mean the flipper will have to pay that instead of the base 50mil.

Again, I get your points. I'm just pointing out not because it's theoretically possible, that doesn't mean it's also realistically feasible.