Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

[Sylvain]

I personally will stay with BLM as my DPS to go job, it's the job i'm the most proefficient with and the only thing I was remotely bad at was loosing the TC buff once in a while over a fight and this got partially adressed. (I'm not sure the FS buff will really help but hey, better than nothing)

I'm not aiming at first week clear or anything so by the time I reach OS8(secretcoolpart2) I'll have a few ilv over the very first kills that will compensate for the few % (and skill) i'm behind.



I'm not saying this makes BLM situation fine but I hardly doubt every single BLM on this forum is a top server BLM aiming for first week clear or even fflogs. Therefor being a few percent behind should not affect them that badly. In my own experience, these last few digits only really matter when you do content very early or overly tightly tunned (Midas), this is not the case and every single wipe I had from an enrage could have been traced to player's death rather than me doing a few percent less than a SMN. By that I mean, I've never wiped at 1 or even2% on a perfect run. Every single time I've had an enrage was during a run with at least one death. remove that death and the boss would have tanked the ground.

Regardless, I still feel that the buff are a bit meager and altough I was hoping for a bit more, I have hope for future patch.

[Kaimishi]

Honestly, this was more than deserved, considering how overtuned Summoner was for the last patch. They could out damage Samurai and Black Mage, despite having the utility to make up for their damage.

Now this should put them in the same place as SAM, rather than above it.

You miss the point. This is not about BLM damage getting higher than summoner, it's about the whole caster class being garbage compared to others. BLM needed a much higher buff (SAM in accordance) and smn shouldn't have been nerfed, that's it (maybe in aoe but not single target). It seems we're designed to do less damage, explain me if it makes sense to you considering some other classes with higher utility do higher rdps than we do.

Besides, when you compare classes, you compare the raid dps, not the personnal dps as the latter doesn't take in account the damage you provide to the team through buffs.

[AikaThompson]

The dev team really needs to bite the bullet, admit that they don't like casters, and delete them from the game. Refund the wasted EXP on them and let people put it towards a melee job or Bard, because those are clearly what the developers prefer.

I should discard my caster gear in protest. Or my subscription.

[zuzu-bq]

They will still think casters are gucci because people will roll SMN and RDM in great amounts for progression. even though they're tossed aside somewhat 8 weeks later.

[Nhadaly]

I am raiding with my Black Mage and could never find a decent static in deltascape, these changes arent gonna make it any better, im dissapointed.

[Shiroe]

wonder if SE goes like "what jobs are overused / overplayed?.. lets nerf them ffck out if them"...

are casters the most used dps atm?

(and blm got the absolute minimum buff possible)

but Im serious, can someone ask wtf Yoshi was thinking when balaning the jobs in the next Q&A.., and make him elaborate ... more than one ffing sentence (like "blm is strong, so 280 enough")

[HaroldSaxon]

Honestly, this was more than deserved, considering how overtuned Summoner was for the last patch. They could out damage Samurai and Black Mage, despite having the utility to make up for their damage.

Now this should put them in the same place as SAM, rather than above it.

Is there anything you wouldn't defend SE for? You clearly aren't able to read people's posts that explain why SMN was not overtuned.

It certainly does, but that's because you're thinking only of bursts. Summoner's strength lies in sustained damage, and the fact that they can constantly have at least 300 potency of damage per 3seconds, without any need to worry about serious clipping or losing potency or similar. However, on top of their sustained damage, they also have powerful oGCDs (Fester, Deathflare and Akh Morn) that can inflict serious damage.

And Samurai is compared to SMN simply because of SMN's overwhelming damage... just as it would be compared to Black Mage for that matter. But if you wanna compare SMN to BLM, SMN objectively outperforms BLM in terms of DPS, even if numbers "feel" low.

What on earth? SMN is a burst class. Seriously, do you even play this game? How can anyone take you seriously when you flat out don't have a clue about how SMN works or even how raid buffs work.

Wow i don't even know where to start here. Summoner is right now the strongest DPS in the game, not just personal DPS but actual contributed Raid DPS, people complain because they have very little idea how to properly play the job. Maybe you should check out a guide before complaining.

Maybe you should actually learn about why FFlogs overestimated SMN. BRD+DRG+NIN+MCH were all better.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Where was my Verraise nerf?!?! Where? I wanted it so bad. And stronger pew pew to compensate. More on topic though, BLM didn't get the numbers they deserved. And if the double ranged meta wasn't so dominant, yeah SMN probably deserved those nerfs, but y'know all physical meta.

[Iromi]

Hmm..why do the devs keep changing things, fix em, then change them back to being bad?

I don't even know why I ask..this has been happening since 1.x days lol good to see nothing has changed. PLD and WAR would take turns being "good" in patches...heh. So what's up with the caster hate anyway..glad I unsubbed...whatever :/

[wereotter]

Where was my Verraise nerf?!?! Where? I wanted it so bad. And stronger pew pew to compensate. More on topic though, BLM didn't get the numbers they deserved. And if the double ranged meta wasn't so dominant, yeah SMN probably deserved those nerfs, but y'know all physical meta.

I've not seen the all physical meta from where I play, but if that's becoming a thing, then the easiest solution is probably not a buff to casters across the board, but instead a nerf to disembowel. Even though it currently is lower than similar debuffs (5% verses 10% on slashing and blunt) it's still 5% on three DPS jobs, which adds up a lot. Bringing it down to 3% and adding a buff to DRG's personal skills to compensate that job might make it more fair.

Though I'll admit to not knowing just how much of an impact that will make as I only dabble in casting jobs, and don't really play BRD or MCH.