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    to hard to lvl on steel and mythril(fix suggestion)

    There is a certain imbalance to the crafting system. Mythril has a horrible drop rate and steel needs bomb ash. These 2 factors make it much more costly then lvling on there higher lvl counter part cobalt.

    how to fix:
    increase mythril drop rate for mining
    sell bomb ash at npcs


    please hot-fix this instead of waiting for the 3 month patches as usual.

    EDIT: since these lower lvl recipes are harder to produce then the higher lvl ones the gear becomes more expensive to make. If you choose to buy bomb ash from the wards then youll pay around 3k gil for it. A piece of cobalt ore is only about 1500gil. So since the lower lvl recipes cost more i would never consider producing them for selling at the wards. this only hurts the low to mid lvl players who have to pay more for thier gear then they should have to.

    the title says hard to lvl on...but thats not my main point.
    iron drop=rate good
    steel= need to farm bomb ash which takes extra time
    mythril= bad drop rate
    cobalt= good drop rate

    having the 2 hardest mats to acquire/synth in the middle lvls make the mid lvl gear cost more to produce. That is not good economic balance. this is the main reason it should be fixed. Bomb ash should be readily available and mythril should be = to iron +cobalt. I know that we can make do with what we have now but its just now good economic balance.

    Note: someone mentioned the possibility of adding bomb ash to mining, i like this idea. Also maybe a synth to extract bomb ash from brimstone.
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    Last edited by syntaxlies; 11-24-2011 at 01:54 AM.

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    Adding Bomb ash to mining would be pretty sweet, and an increase on mythril yield.
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    If you need bomb ash, theres a ton of Drifting Duds NW from Camp Horizon, they're in the (8,21) and (9,21) area.

    I was farming them on my 36 PGL and they were dying incredibly fast. They drop up to 4 ash at once, I got about 110 ash In around 40 min.

    I agree with you on the Mythril drop rate though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estellios View Post
    If you need bomb ash, theres a ton of Drifting Duds NW from Camp Horizon, I want to say they're in the (8,24) and (9,24) area.

    I was farming them on my 36 PGL and they were dying incredibly fast. They drop up to 4 ash at once, I got about 110 ash In around 40 min.

    I agree with you on the Mythril drop rate though.
    thanks for the tip, and for the bomb ash the main prob is it takes extra work which makes extra cost. these extra cost in the low lvl recipes makes it hard to produce low lvl equipment at a fair price when you could easily produce higher lvl equipment easier for a higher profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    thanks for the tip, and for the bomb ash the main prob is it takes extra work which makes extra cost. these extra cost in the low lvl recipes makes it hard to produce low lvl equipment at a fair price when you could easily produce higher lvl equipment easier for a higher profit.
    Then the real solution would be to increase the difficulty of obtaining the higher level material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer View Post
    Then the real solution would be to increase the difficulty of obtaining the higher level material.
    well being that mythril drop rate is 1 are you saying that cobalt drop rate shuold be 0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer View Post
    Then the real solution would be to increase the difficulty of obtaining the higher level material.
    Yes let's screw over people unrelated to the problem by making things universally more of a pain in the ass for everyone.

    I get what you mean now OP, although I personally don't think it's that big of a deal since it drops so readily. It would be nice if they got rid of at least one of the areas that drops Alumen and make it drop the ash instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estellios View Post
    Yes let's screw over people unrelated to the problem by making things universally more of a pain in the ass for everyone.

    I get what you mean now OP, although I personally don't think it's that big of a deal since it drops so readily. It would be nice if they got rid of at least one of the areas that drops Alumen and make it drop the ash instead.
    i will farm some ash to lvl my bls, but as far as making low lvl gears to sell i would never bother farming ash when i can farm cobalt way faster and make more gil from it. If i ever farmed ash it would be to sell for the 3-4k that it sells for(or for lvling). It seems as though any mats taht are farmed via mobs tend to cost more then mats that are farmed via doh. Even mythril with its horrid drop rate are cheaper then bomb ash. My prob is that this is for low lvl gear and will always drive the price up. With the new stat mechanics people need to have their lvl appropriate gear now.

    i do like your idea of adding it to mining though, id like to see it sold at the arm/bls guild though. even if it was 1000 gil it would set the price for the wards.
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    Last edited by syntaxlies; 11-23-2011 at 12:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estellios View Post
    Yes let's screw over people unrelated to the problem by making things universally more of a pain in the ass for everyone.

    I get what you mean now OP, although I personally don't think it's that big of a deal since it drops so readily. It would be nice if they got rid of at least one of the areas that drops Alumen and make it drop the ash instead.
    Typical.
    I hope they make gathering much more difficult so people like you can come here to complain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer View Post
    Typical.
    I hope they make gathering much more difficult so people like you can come here to complain.
    wow, a troll by definition, thanks for the bumb
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