While the Glamour Revision is welcomed - I feel like its missing the mark

[SokiYagami]

You got me there. I will admit the system seems clunky compared to equivalents in other games on the market. Perhaps they chose destroying gear to reduce the amount of profit made from desynthing, spiritbonding and converting into materia or trading into GC for seals after gear is bound (Which is a pretty awful reason, WoW wouldn't stop you from disenchanting gear after binding it and collecting the appearance).

A fair point, which was brought up long ago twice (which I saw) by other players in other thread when requesting for a glamour log was still a thing. I'll stand by the point I made before too, yes, there will be a one-time surge of mats from manually converting/trading in of gears we are currently holding onto now, but I disagree that this will outweigh any potential inconvenience that the players may experience from picking over the destruction of gear instead. I'll also reinforce my point by stating that recently, overtime, SE has been picking convenience over any potential market surge via the condensing of glamour prism and raining of materia through multiple new sources.

[Alleo]

So doesnt that mean that they have to stick with that feature forever? I mean if they can code it in a way that you can take things out why not do that from the beginning? So either its not doable for them or they never thought of it..but if its not doable they cant rework that system that much (other than turning it into something completely unlimited for space) because people might just lose all their glamour items that they put in there...which kinda makes me feel like this will be our glamour "log" for a long time..so just another bad band-aid that will not let us improve much.

Strange how one of the most important things to know (items being destroyed) was not part of their liveletter and not part of their presentation...gives me the feels like they wanted to be silent about that important part so that we dont discuss this until its too late..

Honestly I am not going to use that dresser..its just too much risk of losing the stuff..and the ensembles seems to be way more complicated too..

[Krotoan]

So doesnt that mean that they have to stick with that feature forever? I mean if they can code it in a way that you can take things out why not do that from the beginning? So either its not doable for them or they never thought of it..but if its not doable they cant rework that system that much (other than turning it into something completely unlimited for space) because people might just lose all their glamour items that they put in there...which kinda makes me feel like this will be our glamour "log" for a long time..so just another bad band-aid that will not let us improve much.

Strange how one of the most important things to know (items being destroyed) was not part of their liveletter and not part of their presentation...gives me the feels like they wanted to be silent about that important part so that we dont discuss this until its too late..Honestly I am not going to use that dresser..its just too much risk of losing the stuff..and the ensembles seems to be way more complicated too..

it was in there.. but just not very well translated
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/356388-Letter-from-the-Producer-LIVE-Part-XLI-Update-Thread/page2

"These new dressers will be placed inside inn rooms. Players will select items from their inventory and Armoury chest, and use glamour prisms to convert and store them into the glamour dresser. These items will become unavailable as a normal item to equip, but can be used for glamour. "
Unavailable.. as in .. ever.
Ideally, if you did have however many slots you needed and you could glamour everything then you wouldn't ever need to recover an item right? It may be they're figuring that in the end it won't matter that the actual item is gone since the glamour will be available for whatever..
It's also possible due to deadlines that the recovery feature wasn't implemented, or yes even that they figured "well.. if you can just glamour it.. why would you ever want it back?"
Speculation proves nothing really.. but If it remembers the name of the item and isn't just a picture, it references it somehow.. and calling the original item back isn't that far off.

Bummer you're not even going to TRY it though. I'll post my impressions when we do get our hands on it, maybe that'll change your mind. And hey! 200 slots of my inventory back!

[Alleo]

They did say that you cant use the gear as gear anymore if its in the dresser so the sentence you posted was more like that. This never truly meant that we could never get it out again and I find it a bit strange that they would post it in that way in the live letter thread. I mean the patch notes have these hints in red to make sure that people understand that they will be destroyed so why not write it that way too?

It matters because we cant use that system for retainers and squadrons and people use glamour on them too. Also they said a lot of stuff in the past and did not hold that promise so we do not have a 100% safety that they will increase that or change the system. So I would be putting stuff in there that I might regret putting in there later..which I would not be able to get back. So no I will not try it because I simply cant get them back..if we could retrieve them again that would be different..

[SilverObi]

Honestly this is just SE doing what SE does. They take a simple system and overcomplicate it to the point of absurdity. Myriad other games have a glamour/costume/transmog system that saves the appearance into a catalog for later application. They're doing on paper literally the same thing so they probably see no problem with it. But what's happening is they're trying for some reason to add layers to your glamour appearance. Base layers, plate layers, mix match, bla bla why. We shouldn't be surprised it's being done so half-assed and so clearly missing the point because that's how they've handled changes to their flagship MMOs for almost 20 years.

However I am willing to give the new system a chance because I'd like to see what I can wring out of the limitations to create unique looks per job. Just like I much more appreciate people who use pieces from different sets to create an outfit vs someone who just wears a complete set and calls it a glamour, I look forward to seeing what people figure out instead of just dismissing it out of hand.

And I do agree that 200 slots in general is too low, maybe 100 per equip slot is a much better start again that's just SE doing what SE does. It will be expanded and refined later on but as with most of their QoL additions they're just proofs of concept to see what their hamster wheels can handle.

[Krotoan]

They did say that you cant use the gear as gear anymore if its in the dresser so the sentence you posted was more like that. This never truly meant that we could never get it out again and I find it a bit strange that they would post it in that way in the live letter thread. I mean the patch notes have these hints in red to make sure that people understand that they will be destroyed so why not write it that way too?
It matters because we cant use that system for retainers and squadrons and people use glamour on them too. Also they said a lot of stuff in the past and did not hold that promise so we do not have a 100% safety that they will increase that or change the system. So I would be putting stuff in there that I might regret putting in there later..which I would not be able to get back. So no I will not try it because I simply cant get them back..if we could retrieve them again that would be different..

I'd say likely lost in translation and intent.

I get that, and yeah we've gotten burned on things before. Of course don't put anything irreplaceable in your Dresser if you've got reservations, but stuff you can get back with gil or dungeon farming? I'd say dresser it and save yourself the space. Make a plate with just gloves and shoes or something if that's all you put in there. Any Gold Saucer prizes? Dresser. People are always saying gil is worthless now anyway. Every piece of "Darklight" stuff I have is going in there.

[Wilan]

Honestly this is just SE doing what SE does. They take a simple system and overcomplicate it to the point of absurdity.

No joke. Remember when the glamour system was originally introduced there were a whopping total of 37 different prisms? Clear Prisms, Dispel Prisms, and then 5 different prisms for each of the 7 jobs divided by their item level. Was that really necessary?

...apparently not, because since then the prisms were first reduced to 9, and starting next week they'll be only 3. Everything else was an useless overcomplication that didn't add anything.

[Aivi_lo]

The cynical party of me thinks they just don't want to give us a useful glamour log as they still want to charge people for additional retainers :/

[Alleo]

I am just sad that we are not even just able to use the system without having to think which stuff to put in there. I would still see this as a band-aid if we could put them out again but this way? I just really hope that they have a huge warning when someone uses the dresser..otherwise we will probably have lots of people that put glamour in there only to notice that they cant get it back. x)

[Iscah]

And I do agree that 200 slots in general is too low, maybe 100 per equip slot is a much better start

The potential issue with dividing up the slot allowance by item is that, especially when we need to be selective about what we put in, people may want to store different amounts of different item types. I know I'll be storing a lot more chest pieces than hats! So it's better to simply have X item slots instead of dividing it into an arbitrary number per type - the question of "how many slots do we actually need" is separate.