Can we replace Silent Dusk?

[Sebazy]

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think Selene is quite as useless as people make her out to be. Silent Dusk definitely needs to be replaced with something useful but there's a certain level of histrionics I see (not so much on the forums, but in conversations I have in game) that make it seem like if you have Selene out you're not gonna clear content.

Aye agreed, I think the reality lies somewhere in the middle really.

She certainly isn't useless, she still has Embrace and Union after all, and a DPS buff is a DPS buff no matter how you look at it.

On the flipside, the DPS buff has also historically been highly overrated in the past when in reality, it's a fairly minor buff all told. Nothing like as impactful as Chain for example (which arguably could/should have been a Selene ability in the first place, great work job design team ).

One amusing titbit I will add tho. Go back to early SCOB where I was having to progress on SCH as per the norm. Selene was viewed as the absolute go to Fairy and many people would view you as a total scrub if you dared to use Eos. I posted some math and examples on reddit showing my opinion that actually, leaning on Eos's additional healing and simply DPSing yourself was actually more productive overall. To say I got laughed into downvote oblivion over that one would be an understatement, it seems that I got the last laugh tho, especially once the woefully misleading tooltips got corrected

[Hestzhyen]

I think Silent Dusk would be useful if Selene immediately stopped whatever she was doing (90% of the time it's casting Embrace) and executed the player's command right away. Lack of responsiveness from both fairies is a huge reason why I don't like SCH as much as WHM or AST- it feels like I'm fighting my pet instead of just being able to focus on the fight. The silence is more situational than helpful, certainly. But I never use it as-is because Selene's too busy shaking her butt to cast Embrace when it's really needed. I'd rather see that issue addressed first and see what improvements can be made afterwards.

[Ametrine]

Honestly, if Silent Dusk was an instant mob stun instead of being utterly broken by the pet AI and being a simple magic only interrupt, we could actually pick and utilize both fairies to our preference in the same way a Noct SCH can do anything despite the meta.

[Gemina]

I like to do DPS on scholar but I find that even without Whispering Dawn etc I don't need to pump out too much extra healing manually, again, largely because of the difficulty level of the content I do. I'd certainly never advocate not using Eos if you need the healing, and definitely not leaving her on Obey.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think Selene is quite as useless as people make her out to be. Silent Dusk definitely needs to be replaced with something useful but there's a certain level of histrionics I see (not so much on the forums, but in conversations I have in game) that make it seem like if you have Selene out you're not gonna clear content. Which is not true lol. It just works out well for me that Selene isn't that garbage and unless I need to save the cleanse for some specific thing, I can more or less just leave her on Obey and focus on what I myself am doing.

It's a fair statement to bring out Selene when so little healing is needed. At this point, it can be handled with your oGCDs and good aetherflow management. I do this too, and I'm quite sure other SCHs do as well. My issue wasn't with which fairy you choose to use, it's with being complacent in content you're running with other people. Even when using Selene, it is better to have her on Obey. She's just the less detrimental of the two leaving her on Sic. SCHs who leave their fairies on Sic is actually more indicative of a dislike towards fairy micromanagement than being lazy. You're still adding damage while taking care of healing, so I don't think you're lazy. All I am saying is that it is common courtesy to do more when you're capable of it.

[dynus]

Fey Wind and Fey Caress are useful, but man, Silent Dusk is useless. Maybe if it did damage as well the skill would be useful.

Honestly, I think that'd be the best way to balance the fairies without changing it up too much. Make Silent Dusk do damage with maybe 60-70 potency plus the silence debuff. (Also make Fey Wind do a 5% skill/spell speed buff. Lower the duration to 20s if that makes it more balanced.)

[Ametrine]

Making it a DoT was always an option, it's just a weird tweak to make when Selene is pitched as the "support" type faerie. Eos fulfills her role as the straight-up healer fairy far better.

I really wonder why SE won't change Selene's skills since we've been complaining about Silent Dusk for a few years now. AST cards have been modded several times, yet our buff/debuff options have not.

[KDSilver]

Because outside of that, Scholar still has everything he needs to fulfill its job fantastically.
Ast had a lot of problem during all Heavensward because he had less healing and his buff couldn't compete with White Mage's power.

Honestly, yes it is useless and Eos is way better but Scholar doesn't need anything more so...

[Ametrine]

Because outside of that, Scholar still has everything he needs to fulfill its job fantastically.
Ast had a lot of problem during all Heavensward because he had less healing and his buff couldn't compete with White Mage's power.

Honestly, yes it is useless and Eos is way better but Scholar doesn't need anything more so...

Probably. But, AST cards got tweaked for SB, too, and for the better. Right now, the biggest issue they face is Spire being a fodder card, but that's still a better place that Selene's Silent Dusk.

I still stand by Silent Dusk being made instant, not reliant on the need to interrupt Embrace. It would be less of a buff, more a full on repair of the skill. If we could simply allow it's utility to be used, Selene would be fine!

(Although I would like each faerie type to get a separate Aetherpact effect, oh well.)

[Kabzy]

Because outside of that, Scholar still has everything he needs to fulfill its job fantastically.
Ast had a lot of problem during all Heavensward because he had less healing and his buff couldn't compete with White Mage's power.

Honestly, yes it is useless and Eos is way better but Scholar doesn't need anything more so...

AST was matching WHM by 3.3, and was murdering it in 3.4. It was also the strongest in 4.0, until they fixed it and actually got healer balance pretty decent.

I do think SCH is the best healer at the moment, but it's far from being broken or OP. It's not leagues ahead, and it's not a raid necessity like it used to be. There are a lot of WHM/AST comps still out there so I don't agree with this notion of not giving a job any attention just because it's doing well. Best healer or not, there is no excuse for Selene to be that irrelevant. She's not just some niche ability, she's one of only two aspects of the Faerie that we get to use. I'm sure WHM and AST could get buffs too, but this is not the thread for that.

[KDSilver]

My point is, i'm afraid of how they could change Silent Dusk.
Cause if they give it a powerful change, I fear that they'll nerf Scholar too much in another patch because they'll feel he's too strong.

That's why I'm mixed.
I'd really like it to be a useful tool, but when you see how the dev team balance jobs sometimes... ^^"

(in other words Kabzy, i'm not saying classes that perform well shouldn't have attention)