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    Vyriah Altaisen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
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    I have no grudge against anyone, I don't even know any of you here. The only thing I did was defend my point.
    You just popped out of nowhere to nitpick at my messsage, I'm actually just answering all your accusation for something like 2 pages now. So In the end you're doing whatever you want, yes. That won't stop either from saying it's pointless, and it won't work and will just antagonize people into doing the same thing. Once again, look where we get. Do you really think anyone reading that will be conviced that anything outside "two people seem to argue over the internet". We could read our last few message without barely understanding what's the matter in this discussion.
    That's why I keep saying going after the persons themself means nothing.

    I'm pretty sure that discussion should have ended long ago. What I was telling in my previous post was that random person over the internet is less important that what's written in the post itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by era1Ne View Post
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    The problem could exactly be the fact that different team works on different things at different time. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that raid bosses were designed early so it possible that SB content wasn't actually fully tuned to the changes. that could explain really weird things like ExDeath casting doom completly randomly at the staet of the fight no apparent reason than forcing healer to have Esuna.

    SCH was without any single doubt the weakest healer at SB lunch and not taking into account that bane nerf and the new cross-class system stripped them of all AoE damage possibilities is the kind of miss you really can't do if you really understand how the class is played. I don't think it's a coicidence either that it was buffed exactly everytime a new more difficult content got out.

    But it's hard to miss the fact that WHM kits rely on constant single target damage to heal, something that regen wouldn't handme, and this isn't something frequent at all in FF XIV. It looks like it needs something the good old "you can't do this alone so everything hit like a boat" formula.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyriah View Post
    The problem could exactly be the fact that different team works on different things at different time. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that raid bosses were designed early so it possible that SB content wasn't actually fully tuned to the changes. that could explain really weird things like ExDeath casting doom completly randomly at the staet of the fight no apparent reason than forcing healer to have Esuna.
    This is how it works in game development. You tune stuff until the end and work on different stuff at the same time. Could they have done better at the start? Probably, but i must say compared to other games this game is really balanced.
    SCH was without any single doubt the weakest healer at SB lunch and not taking into account that bane nerf and the new cross-class system stripped them of all AoE damage possibilities is the kind of miss you really can't do if you really understand how the class is played.
    You have a point with the aoe dmg, but i still disagree that the scholar was the worst healer.
    I don't think it's a coicidence either that it was buffed exactly everytime a new more difficult content got out.
    The last buffs with succor for instance, was totally unnecessary in many good scholar mains opinions. I agree these changes aren't a coicidence, but i think it comes down to the high skill ceiling and imo many scholar can't get the most out of it. In the right hands, the healer is in its current state the strongest overall. Imo they buff the class for these reasons and not because they think the scholar is to weak.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    While I generally respect the care and skill that goes into FFXIV, the dev team has demonstrated that they do not understand certain aspects of gameplay and job balance as well as their full-time play testers (i.e. the community).

    You don’t actually need to be very good to clear content; you simply need to be able to memorize an encounter and build a limited mental flow chart (totally by design, since they want anyone to be able to clear with enough practice).
    One of their mistakes in recent times was the original shake it off skill. Imo this skill was created before the developers decided to remove the debuff of beserk. Square isn't perfect as you said, but overall i respect them for what they do.
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    Last edited by era1Ne; 01-26-2018 at 12:14 AM.

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    Sidenote: Above is not to be taken at face-value. Having worked for AAA-MMORPG's (in non-development roles), I've seen it off-hand in motion. It's more a case of: "You'd think they'd learn, being a business and all, that they should be a bit more careful when it comes to tampering with a product people adore".
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    "And all the Hyur's say I'm pretty sage – for a White Mage!"

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    Current state of the SCH in particular is weird discussion. Because stratagem, first.

    But also because the changes buffed the burst healing nature of the job, wich makes strong but kinda question even more the identity for the SCH to begin with. I've seen someone saying about the old SCH that it felt like trying to keep five plates spinning at the same time, but the current one feel like waiting for planet to align while casting broil 2, knowing they will never align if you mess anything up. this actually a DPS playstyle, on a healer job that already have far more tools than the others. This quite the opposite of what the changes were supposed to do, so I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the intended result at all.

    BTW, I'm not saying they are doing a job, I'm pretty sure there's a reason it's like that. Maybe it's a conservative approach arround healing as it's something that could really quickly affect game balance, or because they don't healers to actually quit healing or even because limitation based on how the game was made back in ARR wich makes changes difficult to do.
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    Wynne Yilmaz
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    Quote Originally Posted by era1Ne View Post
    One of their mistakes in recent times was the original shake it off skill. Imo this skill was created before the developers decided to remove the debuff of beserk.
    4.0 Shake It Off easily won the award for "Worst Skill Ever".
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