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    I did not just read half of what I read. You need Physick, period.

    Physick is your strongest GCD heal, barring an Emergency Adloquium. Admittedly, unlike the other healers, your secondary heal Adlo, yes Adlo is the SECONDARY heal, is used more frequently compared to Cure II and Benefic II. What is "supposed" to be done is casting Adlo on a party member if they have lost roughly 12.5%-25% of their HP, between 25-50% you'd use Physick anything below 50% you'd want to Lustrate or use an Emergency Adlo, and once you get it, Excognition. By that extent, Succor, though your primary source of AoE healing, is meant to act more as an AoE Adlo. Granted every situation is different and you must be adaptable, but the point is you need all of your tools at your disposal. SCHs MP is a lot less plentiful as it once was, so you'd want to save MP wherever you can.

    Also to those wondering why Adlo is the "Secondary Heal", it matches up with Cure II and Benefic II in Level, Potency, and RNG bonus. Most people tend to think its the "Primary Heal" simply because its a Scholar skill compared to an Arcanist skill. But if SB didn't make it more obvious, the classes are just a leftover from the old 1.0 system, and SE can mix and match the skills as they please. Physick and Resurrection are there for SCH not SUM. I mean Miasma II was an Arcanist skill but now is a SCH exclusive, and as many people point out Arcanist lined up more with SCH than SUM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Physick is your strongest GCD heal
    No, it is not. Physick is 400 potency whereas Adloquium is effectively 600 (300 heal+300 shield), potentially skyrocketing leagues above a Cure II/Benefic II with a crit. Shield effects are and should be accounted towards healing.

    On topic, Physick is a niche spell for SCH, simply because it's tied to the GCD and is the smallest potency-per-gcd in your whole toolkit. SCH's real strenght is the insane amount of OGCD healing/fairy carry potential you have, which lets both you and your co-healer maximize your DPS output. You'd basically be using Physick in the following situations:

    - You are completely mana starved and someone needs a single target heal
    - If another player already has an Adlo but still needs to be topped off further (rare, but can happen)

    Otherwise Physick should be the last thing you use for single target healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Physick is your strongest GCD HEAL
    Quote Originally Posted by Estelle9lives View Post
    No, it is not. Physick is 400 potency whereas Adloquium is effectively 600 (300 heal+300 shield), potentially skyrocketing leagues above a Cure II/Benefic II with a crit. Shield effects are and should be accounted towards healing.
    You are not wrong by saying that shields should be considered in the overall formula. But the bottom line is a shield is exactly that a shield. Unless you are using Emergency Tactics, Physick is your strongest GCD heal, as you said yourself Adlo is a 300 heal vs Physicks 400. And yes while crit Adlos are great, the amount of times we get them is based on massive luck, so while it could be much greater than Cure II or Benefic II with or without the shield, its not something to counr on during standard gameplay.

    The issue here isn't so much using Physick or not, which you should, it's not niche as you say, you and I both gave situations where Physick is warrented, and these aren't uncommon either. The real issue is encouraging fledgling Scholars to focus on Adlo more than they should. All to often have I encountered a newer SCH who thinks Adlo should be their go to heal, and then they run out of MP, even at later levels. If none of us say anything they are going to continue playing that way and have problems.

    So, should Adlo be used more than Cure II and Benefic II, yes since the shield is a part of SCHs playstyle. But should we encourage people to use it as their primary form of GCD healing, no, Physick is both potency and MP efficient, especially now that we don't recover MP like we use to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Unless you are using Emergency Tactics, Physick is your strongest GCD heal
    It's the strongest "raw" heal, but its not technically your strongest GCD heal...you have to take into consideration the damage the shield part of Adlo prevents as well.

    Physick 400 potency raw heal
    Adlo 300 potency raw heal + 300 potency shield (*+crit RNG) = *600

    *If Crit will increase

    It's dependent on incoming damage so in some cases yeah Physick is stronger if the player isn't going to take any damage, but if you know the main tank for example is taking consistent damage then Adlo is a better use of a GCD heal than Physick because not only will you do 300 potency (only 100 lower than Physick) but the shield you give them also adds another 300 as they take hits.

    The only reason not to would be lack of incoming damage or MP issues. So I understand what you mean about encouraging healers not to use it as primary, but the OP was talking about savage not casual content. In casual content yeah you don't wanna spam Adlo if you just need raw healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    It's the strongest "raw" heal, but its not technically your strongest GCD heal...you have to take into consideration the damage the shield part of Adlo prevents as well.
    Saying "raw" heal might help simplify it I guess.

    But I'm not forgetting to factor in the shield, I'm just stating the shield isn't a heal, it's a form of damage nullification. The Tool Tips for Galvanize and Emergency Tactics say as such.

    But I don't wanna argue semantics. Saying it's the strongest raw heal is fine with me.
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    Last edited by Eloah; 01-26-2018 at 04:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    But I don't wanna argue semantics. Saying it's the strongesr raw heal is fine with me.
    I don't want to be that guy, but then you could also say it's the only raw GCD heal SCH has, so you can't compare it to anything if we're being that specific.

    Anyway, on topic, keep it on your hotbar. And make your co-healer feel ashamed every time you have to cast it in a raid. :'D (Unless it's someone random ofc, don't be mean!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    I don't want to be that guy, but then you could also say it's the only raw GCD heal SCH has, so you can't compare it to anything if we're being that specific
    Ah yes, I know what you mean. It depends upon which side of the coin you choose to view it from, the healing side or the gimmick side. Is it being compared to Cure II and Benefic II or Regen and Aspected Benefic. Which falls in line with teaching newer SCHs to think of Succor as an AoE Adlo and not a heal. Touche my good sir, Touche.

    Oh and you weren't that guy, you just gave us another perspective, thanks for that.
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