4.2 Housing Update

[Rymm]

They...are bad person because they purchased something in a videogame? Wow. This is some statement right here.

Well taking extras of something when you know that there are people going without any at all doesn't put them on par with murderers or child abusers but it certainly doesn't make them a "nice person" either. And if you play the "it's just a videogame" card, remember that it cuts both ways- why does it matter if SE reclaims houses from hoarders because "it's just a videogame" and "they're just virtual items" so who cares?

[Aniise]

Well taking extras of something when you know that there are people going without any at all doesn't put them on par with murderers or child abusers but it certainly doesn't make them a "nice person" either. And if you play the "it's just a videogame" card, remember that it cuts both ways- why does it matter if SE reclaims houses from hoarders because "it's just a videogame" and "they're just virtual items" so who cares?

I didn't play any 'card' as you called it. I just think that calling them " bad people" for buying two virtual houses might be a tiny bit exaggerated But to each their own I suppose.

[Darrcyphfeid]

but it certainly doesn't make them a "nice person" either.

It doesn't have any reflection on them as a person whatsoever. All it does is make it easier for people to absolve themselves of guilt for hating/envying others. "Oh they're bad people anyway, it's okay to take things away from them" even though it won't fix anything.

If you step back and read enough posts, it becomes pretty clear that certain people don't care nearly as much about making Square fix the problem as they do about punishing the people they're convinced have slighted them. Whether that's because deep down they know Square can't/won't ever fix this mess or because it's just easier to elicit a response from individuals vs a company is beyond me.

[Titor]

Please remember that some people bought a second house on their alternate main through house flippers and paid a price gouged amount for it (with legitimate gil from hundreds of hours of crafting and grinding). They are the one who would be hurt the most from forced relinquish.

SE, the decision you made is the right one. Please never force relinquish a plot from an active owner.

[StouterTaru]

Please remember that some people bought a second house on their alternate main through house flippers and paid a price gouged amount for it (with legitimate gil from hundreds of hours of crafting and grinding). They are the one who would be hurt the most from forced relinquish.

You won't find sympathy for people that bought a house from a flipper here. "What, you put a lot of effort into getting a house??? The only real way to get a house is to win the login lottery at 3am on Tuesday morning patch day."

[Rymm]

It doesn't have any reflection on them as a person whatsoever.

I guess that depends on your world-view. I subscribe to the belief that it's the small, everyday interactions that determine the kind of person you are. It's one thing to be good or moral when making big, life defining choices or actions, but really the little things (even if it's just being thoughtful toward others in a video game) have just as much bearing on the formation of your character (your personality qualities, not your game avatar, lol.)

That being said, I personally don't hate hoarders. Well, scratch that, I do dislike a few of them but that is less about the fact that they have multiple homes and more about their personalities; I'm pretty specific with my hates, dislikes, likes, loves, etc. and I can't really form an opinion without knowing much about them. And I don't envy them either as I am already lucky enough to own a personal home and my FC has a house as well, and have passed on multiple opportunities to buy more. I simply don't want to because I don't think it's fair. Which is really the root of my issue with house hoarding- it offends my sense of fairness and just because it's not breaking the rules does not mean that it is not morally objectionable. Keeping multiple things for yourself, at the expense of other people, is objectively "not nice." This is something we teach (or try to) little pre-school aged children on a daily basis, it's a standard of social behavior; I really don't understand how it is suddenly so contentious, beyond people looking out for their own selfish interests.

You are correct in that I don't believe that SE can fix housing at this point, at least not with the budget they are currently allowed. I would love for them to completely overhaul the system and give us either instanced housing or dynamic wards but I genuinely believe that will never happen. Which is why I support stop-gaps intended to ease the housing crisis like the old auto-demo timer, the new 1/1 owning restrictions, and hopefully the future reclamation of hoarded homes. Everyone claimed that the auto-demo timer wouldn't make any difference either, but look how many people own homes now thanks to that. If they do reclaim the hoarded homes, I guarantee it'll make a huge difference to the people who are able to buy them.

As an aside, I really take issue with hoarders constantly throwing around the word "punishment" when talking about taking away their multiples. I've said it before and I'll say it again, being negatively impacted does not equate punishment. Losing those homes would be no more of a "punishment" by SE than they were "punishing" other players by holding them in the first place.

[Zojha]

It doesn't have any reflection on them as a person whatsoever.

Oh, it very much does - Just about every action you take reflects back to you as a person in one way or the other. One's personality leads to one's actions after all, that's the reason why not everyone acts the exact same way in the same situations. The issue when making conclusions the other way around is that there can be multiple personalities behind one and the same action. I might be making this comment to belittle you, to educate you, to try and get my opinion accepted, to pass the time trolling or a lot of other reasons and each reason says something different about me as a person. Finding out which it truly is, that's the hard part, unless I'm telling you outright.

Personally, I also think that it would be far better to advocate a real solution, but frankly, that's been done for years now already and SE hasn't budged. More wards and a bandaid restriction? Come on. There should have long since been an instanced area in each district with a plot to buy, shape and upgrade as desired, but instead we got a carbon copy of FC rooms.
Talking of apartments - Every single FC house no matter the size can hold up to 512 rooms. Apartment buildings only 100. It's not just a carbon copy, it's a shabby carbon copy whose total capacity per server amounts to little more than 19 FC houses as of 4.1. Much limitations, such wow.

I have sympathy with everyone who has no faith whatsoever that SE is ever going to fix the mess that is this housing system. It's been terribly mismanaged from start to finish.

[iLyrica-sama]

Greetings,



Yoshida mentioned during the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XLI that the rules being added in Patch 4.2 will be applicable to new purchases only. Players who already possess more than one FC estate and 1 personal estate per world will not lose their existing housing.

We appreciate all the feedback shared so far and will continue to pass your thoughts along to the dev. team!

Welp, so much for that.

[Siniztor]

Well taking extras of something when you know that there are people going without any at all doesn't put them on par with murderers or child abusers but it certainly doesn't make them a "nice person" either. And if you play the "it's just a videogame" card, remember that it cuts both ways- why does it matter if SE reclaims houses from hoarders because "it's just a videogame" and "they're just virtual items" so who cares?

Anyone on my server who wanted a house had a house including FCs.. i bought my 3 houses wile 200+ say empty for a year plus..heck i bought 12+ other people there homes as gifts to and there was still 200+ empty houses on my server..It wasnt untill people were handed a free ride they started complaing..

Anyone up till free transfers if they truly wanted a house could of had one by transfering...If you dont have a house and were here before free transfers stop crying you didn't do everything within your power to get a house.I have no sympthy for anyone who didnt do every thing could to get a house.So now you wanna punish people who sat and stared at 100's of empty lots lol

Now the new thing seems to be whoa what about new players they cant own mroe then one..well what about the palayers who have been paying there subs for years and playing the game who raised differnt charcters running the msq beating the game multi times, they should suffer cause of new ppl that might stay lol

[StouterTaru]

As an aside, I really take issue with hoarders constantly throwing around the word "punishment" when talking about taking away their multiples. I've said it before and I'll say it again, being negatively impacted does not equate punishment. Losing those homes would be no more of a "punishment" by SE than they were "punishing" other players by holding them in the first place.

From good old wiki:

A punishment is the imposition of an undesirable or unpleasant outcome upon a group or individual, meted out by an authority—in contexts ranging from child discipline to criminal law—as a response and deterrent to a particular action or behaviour that is deemed undesirable or unacceptable.

Imposition of undesirable outcome - check
meted out by authority - check
response to undesirable behaviour - check

Which part makes it not a punishment?