Adressing the roots of the housing problem

[Krotoan]

Small houses. Today. They're selling access to the entire housing market, not just the plot.

At some point after Feb 6th, when the wards are all full and people are still thirsty for housing, they'll sell FCs.

Welcome to the FFXIV Housing Market.


Edit: Not trolling these people, for the record. Looking to buy a house for another friend.

are you aware of the hypocrisy of lambasting a company for not helping solve a problem.. and then supporting the problem ?

[MomomiMomi]

The safeguard for that is that those micro FCs would need to reach the rank to own a house first. So "overnight FCs" aren't gonna be an issue.

I've done it solo in a single day. Overnight FCs are definitely a thing.

[Alleo]

Just to note: The reasons they said they'd wait til just before servers came back up to release housing info (which it seems they didn't anyways) was to prevent things like what were mentioned.

Players can't try to game or work around the system ahead of time if they don't know how.

Thats exactly why I found it strange that they released most of the information already. Either they dont know that someone can raise a FC that fast, thus hoped that there would not be enough time or we are still missing some important informations..

I know that this might sound strange but I am honestly fine with people creating those FC as long as they want it for a house that they will use and not if they are just flipping it. SE kinda destroyed the chance for personal housing and a lot of people probably waited for a long time to finally have a personal house only to see that the new rule will probably stop this. I own a FC with a a real life friend and my alts too. I used it mostly for more storage and to sell all the goods on my alts. Yet I also used it to finally buy my own FC house that has a small ship and is used. So if people use it and not just try to get it for flipping why not.

It would have been better (imo) if the first three new wards would have been FC only and would have released one week after the patch and the last three wards being FC and Personal from the start which would release two weeks after the patch. This way FCs still have the first chance to own a house but solo players would also get their chance a bit later.

I really feel that there will be at least another huge rage coming after the new house release since the houses would still not be enough. And hopefully this might finally bring SE to consider instanced personal houses..If they had that FC would have all their houses for themselves and every solo player that wants a house will get theirs too. And if they dont plan on introducing such housing then I at least hope that they make more with the apartments. Give us really huge ones and maybe a place for gardening and quite some players would be happy. Doing nothing of that will just leave more and more angry customers..not something you want.

[Odstarva]

I demand that SE allows all of my characters to share the same private property!...

Oh, you demand do you?
Let me know how that works out!

[Darrcyphfeid]

are you aware of the hypocrisy of lambasting a company for not helping solve a problem.. and then supporting the problem ?

Swing and a miss.

I never supported the problem; I explained early in the thread how I obtained my FC house (waiting around for 9 hours and a half hours on Christmas day 2015) and my personal house (auto-demolition actually being turned on). I was also on during Shiropocalypse, aka 4.1, and was one of the people boned by network errors. I didn't even want a Shirogane plot, I just wanted to move my kinda crappy Lavender Beds plot somewhere else.

I'm not really obligated to care if anyone here believes what I've put into other posts in this thread. If I'm a hypocrite for using the Gil I've acquired from Gathering Favors and Materia farming/flipping over the last couple years to put my friends into the system now and save them from this hell, before it's too late, then whatever. I'll embrace it. If I don't buy those houses someone else will - as evidenced by those screencaps showing bids of 15m and 20m on smalls that were not my bids - and, once again, anyone without a house or an FC under their control come Feb 6th is about to have a really bad time.

[Krotoan]

Swing and a miss.

I never supported the problem;....


If I'm a hypocrite for using the Gil I've acquired from Gathering Favors and Materia farming/flipping over the last couple years to put my friends into the system now and save them from this hell, before it's too late, then whatever. I'll embrace it. If I don't buy those houses someone else will - as evidenced by those screencaps showing bids of 15m and 20m on smalls that were not my bids - and, once again, anyone without a house or an FC under their control come Feb 6th is about to have a really bad time.

Never said you supported it with your first purchase.
But you're not embracing it, you're denying it.
you are supporting the problem. I don't know what you think I'm swinging at but I'm pointing out your "morals" for this seem very conveniently to not apply when your friends are involved. Yes it's a better reason than "I want more houses to sell to other people".. but you're still part of the problem now.

"someone else will buy them"
"If I don't someone will"
"Might as well , it'll happen anyway"

these are all excuses people tell themselves when they're about to compromise their own morals for convenience. Do whatever you like, but just notice you're doing it.

[Darrcyphfeid]

you are supporting the problem. I don't know what you think I'm swinging at but I'm pointing out your "morals" for this seem very conveniently to not apply when your friends are involved.

I explained myself as clearly as I can, so I'm not sure what more you expect of me? Obviously when I said you swung and missed it was in reference to your jab at my morals/perceived hypocrisy, which you've now reiterated, and... well yeah, my response is the same. Calling me a hypocrite does not devalue my criticism of the new restrictions, and does not invalidate any of my points. There's no point going down this path.

I never supported house resellers because I didn't need to, even though doing so would have saved me ridiculous amounts of time and frustration. Square is now being their usual incompetent selves, removing the ability to work within their broken ass system to achieve what me and mine want, so to hell with it. To hell with them.

Once more: If you or your friends want a house in Shirogane, or a medium or large plot in general, cough up the Gil to a reseller before the 30th. Square's response to all of your feedback in 4.1 was to slap you in the face and laugh at you. Reach out and take what you want. You'll regret it if you don't; there's no moral superiority saying "I never caved to the resellers!" when you're still sitting there without a house.


My entire friend circle has homes now. Good luck to the rest of you. Maybe Square will get this right eventually.

[Krotoan]

I explained myself as clearly as I can, so I'm not sure what more you expect of me? Obviously when I said you swung and missed it was in reference to your jab at my morals/perceived hypocrisy, which you've now reiterated, and... well yeah, my response is the same. Calling me a hypocrite does not devalue my criticism of the new restrictions, and does not invalidate any of my points. There's no point going down this path.

I never supported house resellers because I didn't need to, even though doing so would have saved me ridiculous amounts of time and frustration. Square is now being their usual incompetent selves, removing the ability to work within their broken ass system to achieve what me and mine want, so to hell with it. To hell with them.

Once more: If you or your friends want a house in Shirogane, or a medium or large plot in general, cough up the Gil to a reseller before the 30th. Square's response to all of your feedback in 4.1 was to slap you in the face and laugh at you. Reach out and take what you want. You'll regret it if you don't; there's no moral superiority saying "I never caved to the resellers!" when you're still sitting there without a house.


My entire friend circle has homes now. Good luck to the rest of you. Maybe Square will get this right eventually.

I've brought up counters to your points, the system IS better than it was. Your original comment said it was worse, I pointed out all the ways it's better. It's not perfect, but it's better.
I'm glad all your friends have houses now.

You will never NEED to support resellers, you seem to be scared that when this new system we've not seen the full details of comes into play your friends will have even less of a chance of getting houses.
It seems we see where your line is: "When there is a threat to my interests."
And now you're encouraging the entire playerbase to "go out and get yours".



I don't claim moral superiority, but I'm not the one saying a company is playing dirty and then buying from the thieves because hey, the price might go up soon.
Morals aren't judged on the outcome, just because you lost out in the end doesn't mean your morals are worthless. You stick to morals because they're what you actually believe, if you don't then they're not really morals, just a facade you're using to have false superiority over someone else. In extreme cases people DIE over morals, this is much less dire but that doesn't make it less relevant.

I see your points of how this isn't perfect. I also see you thinking that this requires some sort of bombastic revolution to show how much we don't want this... well I do.



We'll see 2 weeks from now if the situation gets better or worse. I'll gladly revisit this and post where I was wrong and what could have been improved.

[TThibi]

I am just the humble owner of a single small house, I was very pleased to discover after the swimming was added my house is now waterfront property in Goblet and that water is an enormous hot tub!! Still i'm planning to move to Lavender when 4.2 goes live. Hopefully I can get waterfront there as well. In reference to previous players assertations that surely SE wouldn't force players to give up extra homesites, and would rather grandfather them in. I have to say this in response SE CANNOT AFFORD TO ENTERTAIN THESE PEOPLE, the reason for this is the most aggregious offenders across the worlds some of whom have been mentioned here and in other threads. A whole housing ward to 1 couple 16 houses to each of them. SE has to slap them down ferociously to prove to the playerbase they are serious.

I personally believe the day 4.2 goes live and patch is live the first screen these hoarders will see upon login is Please choose the house you wish to keep, upon choosing one all others are demolished 1/3 of house value awarded to each character and all furnishings may be retrieved from npc at your convienience. Don't like it? tough, locking up limited land space to coddle a micro population is inexcusable. Yes please let my alts use my house, omg please add a workshop to personal houses, dammit let my alts make a personal room in my house Awesome!! Anything that builds up the furnishing market is excellent put it in game sign my name to it.

Taking the 2 people example into account SE can smash their housing hoard, 2 people may leave the game $30 a month may leave the game. In exchange 30-32 houses 1/2 of which being FC Only plots potentially please hundreds of other players, there is no loss and only benefit to crushing the greedy.

[kite384]

At least sounds like there adding small, medium, and large apartment rooms.

They mentioned that this could be maybe something they can work on after this big housing update in 4.2