While the Glamour Revision is welcomed - I feel like its missing the mark

[TR_RA]

What's not a welcome change for me regarding the glamour revision is that you can now get prisms from your GC for 200 seals ea. Way to kill a popular market SE!

Oh, and how about destroying the house glam market too! I mean, a single retainer can now bring back a full housing exterior (a) how is this physically possible, (b) nice job eliminating the primary use for company workshops - ships bring back components for housing glams and the cost to actually make these can be high, which should also raise the value of said housing glams, not reduce costs so a L is 300k VS 15mil.

[Alleo]

Ideally, what they should have done is create a log that holds an ID list of all the gear items in the game.

I think that this is the system that Rift uses too. When I get a gear drop from a quest I can already see if this was in my log or not. Then when I choose the gear it will go immediately to the log and in my inventory. There I can either toss the gear or just use it as equipment. Using stuff from the glamour log is also so easy. Just open the window with the character where you will have slots for your fighting gear and slots for the glamour. They have something like ensembles too where you can save certain looks and with one click use them as a glamour. If you dont have them you can just click on each glamour slot and choose any of the glamours in the log, no matter if they are for your job or not. After that you will just save it and the most important part: If you get a new equipment piece you can just exchange them and nothing will change to your glamour because they are different slots. If you want to see the new piece of gear you will have to take the old glamour on that slot away.

Its really mindblowing how bad SE system looks when you compare it to an F2P game..(and lets not talk about their better housing system..)

[Kaethra]

SE doesn't know how to run mmo's that well

Lolwut?

SE has had MMOs out nearly as long as Daybreak (SOE/Verant/989 Studios). And longer than Blizzard has had with WoW. If anything SE should be schooling Blizzard.

Everquest 1999 - 989 Studios
Final Fantasy XI 2002 - Squaresoft
World of Warcraft 2004 - Blizzard

So its very fair, they should be making systems that WoW copies, not the other way around.

[Vstarstruck]

I said "base glamour".

So I have my 320HQ, I glamour it to my 300 FSH gear. Then, my MIN and BTN will each use an ensemble that is glamoured to 300 MIN and 300 BTN gear respectively. Each ofmy gatherers will look different, but I only need to store the MIN and BTN sets in the Commode because my FSH set is glamoured directly onto the 320 gear as they are now. Hence, a total of 10 slots for gatherers.

There are 8 crafter classes, use 1 as the base glamour, then 7 ensembles. So that's 5x7=35 slots required.

The level 50 and 60 sets need to go into the Commode, so 11 classes (3 gatherer and 8 crafter) each needing 5 slots gives 11x2x5=110.

The total comes to 110+35+10 = 155 slots.

Now if I haven't been too cryptic, you'll see that just crafters and gatherers along will need 9 ensembles. This is even before the problem of Commode capacity. And that's why at the end of the post, I summed up my disapproval by asking that particular question.

Hmm some people may not like the base set sort of speak, and the issue i have with this math is that it leaves out the right side. However doing the right side is a lot more tricky since people can chose to simply use the The Emperor's New stuff, some may just use the eb ring, some may use 2 different rings..

but ya, i do not think it is a good system to put resources in, if they have such problems with "server limitations" why make a server intense complex system over a simple checklist style glam log like most games?

Lolwut?

SE has had MMOs out nearly as long as Daybreak (SOE/Verant/989 Studios). And longer than Blizzard has had with WoW. If anything SE should be schooling Blizzard.

Everquest 1999 - 989 Studios
Final Fantasy XI 2002 - Squaresoft
World of Warcraft 2004 - Blizzard

So its very fair, they should be making systems that WoW copies, not the other way around.

Blizzard has more experience when it comes to how to do general online gaming I believe, not just MNOs in general (this is likely the cause of the customer service issue discrepancy)

And the issue may be SE themselves, not the development team of ffxiv, it is VERY CLEAR they do not know enough about MNOs to give the dev team a fitting budget.

[Zfz]

Hmm some people may not like the base set sort of speak

You're still not understanding me. The "base set" is just another term for "the job/class that is not going to use an ensemble." That's all it means. My PLD look will be glamoured onto the 340 shared gear directly and that will be my "base", any other "look" will have to use an ensemble. That's all it means. All other tank jobs will use ensembles that "override" the base glamour.

Same thing with right-hand side. There will be one job/class that is not going to use an ensemble (because we're limited to 10 ensembles), and that job will have its desired look glamoured directly onto the gear pieces like we do now.

It's like painting. There's a base color, then you paint over it. But at places where you want the base color, you don't paint over it with other colors.

[Vstarstruck]

You're still not understanding me. The "base set" is just another term for "the job/class that is not going to use an ensemble." That's all it means. My PLD look will be glamoured onto the 340 shared gear directly and that will be my "base", any other "look" will have to use an ensemble. That's all it means. All othertank jobs will use ensembles that "override" the base glamour.

Same thing with right-hand side. There will be one job/class that is not going to use an ensemble (because we're limited to 10 ensembles), and that job will have its desired look glamoured directly onto the gear pieces like we do now.

It's like painting. There's a base color, then you paint over it. But at places where you want the base color, you don't paint over it with other colors.

The gear you wear for stats does not take inventory, so you are still using 8 sets for 8 crafting classes, unless for some reason you are using the real set look for a class, and that is not something I would do. I would need 8 sets for 8 crafting classes, etc.

That is the only way to deal with being able to wear the best on all the classes, right now you have to mix different ilevel gear to get different looks for different jobs. (or in the case of crafting, buy 8 different sets of 320 gear for different glam options)

however we are still going to need to mix ilevel gear because we only get 10 saved sets =/

[Zfz]

You're mixing up to different matters. My calculation above was to imagine the most "efficient" use of the Commode capacity and see if it really was enough. That's why the premise of the whole calculation is based on the assumption that we are going to use the Commode, i.e. we are not wearing the gear for its stats.

I guess this is the problem of this kind of unthreaded forum layout; it's easy for people to cut in halfway and end up talking about completely different things.

EDIT: just in case someone else decides to cut in again. No, I'm not arguing that the new system is enough. I did the whole calculation to show that it's not enough, and was misunderstood by someone who obviously didn't read my whole post and assumed I was defending the devs. I'm NOT.

[Vstarstruck]

Lol!! Are they proud of making a system like this? I would be embarrassed.

Glamour Updates
* We showcased gameplay of the glamour updates.

Calamity Salvager
You’ll be able to repurchase a wide variety of items from the Calamity Salvager, so be sure to take advantage of this.

First off, I want to know if the development team understands messing with this is clunky to begin with? It takes too much time to run back and forth then sorting out your inventory from the extra clutter. I saw the Calamity Savager to be part of a temp solution/ storage of items not used much, not to be integrated in the main glam system!!!!

Armoire
We have made it so items such as the maid and butler outfits can be stored in the armoire. We recommend storing any items that can be stored in armoire.

Still does not address using rare dyes.

Glamour Dressers
These new dressers will be placed inside inn rooms. Players will select items from their inventory and Armoury chest, and use glamour prisms to convert and store them into the glamour dresser. These items will become unavailable as a normal item to equip, but can be used for glamour.

Glamour Ensembles
Players are able to edit 10 glamour ensembles freely. By selecting the body section, any body gear item which has been converted to glamour will be displayed. By selecting the armoire option, players will be able to select items from the armoire to be added to the glamour ensembles. By leaving the weapon part blank, the ensemble can be applied to any job, or you can set a weapon to make it job specific. Items that cannot be glamoured onto a specific part will display an error message. Selecting the apply button will apply the glamour assigned to the ensemble to your character. In the future, we’re thinking of a system where you can assign glamour ensemble number to a gear set. *You can use macros in Patch 4.2 to accomplish this.

Glamour ensembles can be used in city-states, Gold Saucer, Inn rooms, and the Ivory Chapel.

You can also apply different color dyes to the 10 glamour ensembles.

In the future, we’re also planning to be able to apply the glamour ensembles to members of your adventurer squadron.

For Fashion Report, the equipment you have on at the time will be checked, so it can be checked based on the glamour you have applied.

From my understanding, you can only have the 10 plates to glam over a complete job, not piece by piece and limited to cities. This really solves nothing when you can't access them with the old glam system. Furthermore what if I am say tank or healer, 3 classes using the same gear, and I am out in the open world and change job, I can't use say my WHM plate and stuck on my SCH glam as whm? This does not help at all those that have a different set for each class and trying to claw for more inventory room. What is the point of this system? It is confusing, overly complex and does not fix anything.

This system is pre alpha at best, I do not understand how such a newer game can't do 1/10th of older games in regards of a fashion system

[Ghastly]

Is it true that we can use any role/class/job gear on any job now? :O that's better than any glamour log ever, if this is true this is all I ever wanted!

[Mimilu]

Is it true that we can use any role/class/job gear on any job now? :O that's better than any glamour log ever, if this is true this is all I ever wanted!

They said back in December that role/class/job restrictions will still apply.

Edit
Found the source:
Letter from the Producer Live part XL Update Thread

Glamour System Updates (Continued)

The role restrictions will still remain, but you’ll also be able to create macros which can swap ensembles along with gear set macros.