What are the most common reasons people don't dps?

[Vyriah]

You're bumping it for six month, in case you didn't notice it yourself.
And I don't really bothered all those "lazy healer" type of comments, I'm sorry if that's not bad mouthing enough for you.

There's even some guy that though it was a super great idea of showing a screen of a FFlogs page and every one though about laughing at that bad healer before taking notice it was against the TOS. That's the level of absurdity at work. So let's stop this "you're more wrong than I am" game, please. It's not interesting.

What I'm bringing to you here so the idea that you could change your mindset from "how other player should play", wich is pointless they're the one playing no matter what you do or say, to "how the game could be changed to allow this". Have you ever considered the fact that allowing double target, one enmy and one ally, could make healer DPS more intuitive for anyone ? Or the possibility for healing and DPS to interact with each other as part of the class design ? I'm not making this up, this exist other games.
I don't see anything like being discussed here.

A significant QoL improvement and global healing rework would do more for healer DPS than those 5 lines you just answered me. The healing in this game seriously need some fresh though. By nature healing is really hard to balance and it been left alone for way too long in FF XIV. The only changes that happened was on the SCH and the finaly dicided to overtune it to something even stronger than it was before. Seriously, SCH changes in SB since its lunch is the perfect picture of what's wrong with healing design right now.
And that's the main reason why some healer aren't doing DPS.

[VanilleFang]

They're not doing DPS because healing is too easy? Or...? You say healing is not balanced yet don't really give examples to back up your claim. The only thing you can use is that they over buffed SCH? Which I'm a little iffy on.

[RopeDrink]

A solid group would be achieving a number of things in tandem:

Tank & Healer - know each-others limits, enough that they can flit between (TankStance|Healing) >> (DPS) 'without' one or the other needing to compensate when the other does so. Example; if a Tank is going into DPS stance in order to contribute damage, but this forces the Healer to sacrifice a lot of their own DPS in order to keep the tank alive, it's often not worth it. Note that none of this has anything to do with the DPS players themselves. It's simply a case of both non-DPS roles taking any opportunity to pump more damage into the pile, ie. nothing to do with covering the actual DPS players who do not have these concerns. In a situation where a Tank is pigeon-holed into a tank-stance indefinitely and/or the Healer is in emergency mode, nobody would expect them to throw caution to the wind and start nuking a target while everyone else dies.

It is the tank's responsibility to hold aggro.
It is the healer's responsibility to restore health.
It is the DD's responsibility to punch things harder than the above two roles.
It is EVERYONE's responsibility to kill the target(s), together.

[RopeDrink]

You're bumping it for six month, in case you didn't notice it yourself.

Congratulations. You've noticed that a popular topic is being discussed (at length) on a discussion board.

[Vyriah]

It's not because healing is too strong that they're not doing DPS, they're not doing DPS because they're scared of the healer responsability. FF XIV is balanced in a way to make healer easier to play to not scare players away from healers, but doing so they confirm conservatives thinking that doing both DPS and healing is a risk. Also, the actual strengh of the healing spells and how you can use them at your advantage is something you learn with confidence. There's only 1 healer in each party before lv 50, you can't learn from looking at other player to that point if you don't play something else.

The changes arround the SCH concerned core healing gameplay, but not SCH specific gameplay. They modified mana costs and potencies. That means healer are balanced arround exhaution, but that's not exactly the case of most other MP using classes (outside of RDM, but only when they use support spell). It does makes sense and it kinda get the job done, but it doesn't naturally encourage using offensive spell.

Limit healing output by rotations completed by cooldown and linking with damage oriented spell would by a much more elegant solution. If you either reward DPS with more heal or more heal with DPS, anyone is naturally gonna do both. Let's say something stupid : if DB was linked to hitting an ennemy while aero was up instead of lillies, it's not like you will fail to heal if you don't do it but be rewarding if you do. That's just an exemple, I'm not thinking this is actually what should be done, but they need a whole kit that would work arround that kind of though process.

[Cynfael]

There's only 1 healer in each party before lv 50, you can't learn from looking at other player to that point if you don't play something else.

I'm going to call this out as an excellent point because it applies to all sides of the discussion. When I was a new player, I didn't start paying much attention to my DPS contribution in group play until I hit lvl 50 and began to take note of how (then) end-game content flowed and what other healers were doing. Once it really hit me how choreographed the action really was and how excessive healing did nothing except add enmity and make one appear to be busy, I made adjustments and began to play better with others.

As for the rest of it, remember not to confuse the much-maligned "lazy healer" with new or inexperienced healers. As many posters have qualified (innumerable times), players who are learning are not considered to be the problem. It's widely accepted around here that if they are given the opportunity and a little patience, they will generally improve. The players who refuse to contribute out of some misguided principle, who refuse to see the value in making the effort, who feel entitled not to do anything beyond healing, or who truly are just that lazy are the actual problem.

[VanilleFang]

As for the rest of it, remember not to confuse the much-maligned "lazy healer" with new or inexperienced healers.

So much this. I have seen healers who have all 3 classes at 70, with a mentor crown, and a 345 weapon just standing around doing nothing. And then on the other hand I've had new healers try their best to heal and DPS.


I'll give a for instance; an experience I had with healer yesterday. I set up a PF (because DPS queues are cancer) for 50/60 roulette. I got a full team which included a rusty DRK and a fairly new healer. How new? Wearing 50 artifact gear and had never done Lost City of Amdapor before we got dropped into it. Even though the tank was rusty and the healer was very fresh they still tried to throw out DPS as much as they could. If a new healer can do it there is no excuse for a more experienced healer to refuse.

[Alisi]

Considering one of the two or three prime arguments not to deal damage is "not my job", lets look at this little gem I experienced just now:



Getting people back on their feet could be considered the healer's job, should I have just let them lie down on the floor? Healers weren't exactly doing it. So why, using the same mindset, should I?

You are a unicorn. As in, I've never had a rdm help me with raises. Even when both healers are dead. You're saying healer should DPS because you're the lone RDM that raises and raises are a healer thing. I get that you're trying to make a point with this but it's not much of a point when 99.9% of the RDMs don't do the thing you're threatening not to do because it's not DPS. LOL.

[Akor]

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The later you start learning how to dps as healer the harder it gets to learn it, well until they removed CS. Now its rly about being lazy or not. Or you just dont want to challange yourself on any way as a healer. When we talking about lazy and new healers arent those who just started lvling they first healer but those who are already beyond 50 or even 60. Those ppl arent "new" to healing nor to this games mechanics.

Its more about what you want instead "fear" of screwing up. Thats why (atleast me) who are more tolerant of ppl who screws up in lvl dungeon (15-50) they healing/tanking.
When i first started this game in 2.0 i screwed up big in lvling dungeons bc i over estimated myself as first time healer when to dps/heal. Ppl told me just do less dps isntead dont over do it. Thats how you learn a game mechanics, not by not doing it.

[VanilleFang]

I would recommend to WHM that are having trouble with this to try a fallback macro of the type

Macros are fine when you are learning but once you get comfortable you should stop using them. Macros hinder your performance by quite a lot.

I personally never used macros since they wouldn't teach me how to properly DPS.