Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[RiyahArp]

If there was ever anything on the forums I read that was pig-headed, this is it.

if the boss randomly decided to increase enmity on one party member, it would break your shirk combo. If they nerfed nin shadewalker, youd be screwed. If DRG only buffed spear damage instead of all piercing damage, and all buffs were solely for each jobs weapon type, you'd lose so much advantage that you'd be scrambling for a new meta. If healing potency dropped, you'd have no choice but to stay in tank stance and use jobs with mitigation in tank stance. most of you guys vastly overrate your skill and underrate how much the mob design more or less give certain party metas free reign.

[Oscura]

if the boss randomly decided to increase enmity on one party member, it would break your shirk combo. If they nerfed nin shadewalker, youd be screwed. If DRG only buffed spear damage instead of all piercing damage, and all buffs were solely for each jobs weapon type, you'd lose so much advantage that you'd be scrambling for a new meta. If healing potency dropped, you'd have no choice but to stay in tank stance and use jobs with mitigation in tank stance. most of you guys vastly overrate your skill and underrate how much the mob design more or less give certain party metas free reign.

Yeah, because no player is ever capable of adapting to changes in the game's balance. This game's balance has never changed in the 4+ years it's been played. Every class, encounter and the methods people have taken have been the exact same. /s

Raiding doesn't even work the same way now as it did in 3.x. As I said, your statements are pig-headed and condescending.

[Sebazy]

raiders really cheese a lot of things and think its skill when its not. If the boss ever decided to reflect debuffs, you'd all have no idea what to do.

At least be rational please? That is absolute nonsense and you know it.

[Vstarstruck]

Of course I can evaluate parser culture. I've been a better part of it in over a decade of MMO gaming across half a dozen MMO's with bothhidden and public parsing.

I'm ALL for you and anyone else refuting my specific examples as to how I arrived at my conclusions. I welcome that as it's what generates healthy discussion, but I fail to see how my previous experience disqualifies my viewpoint on the topic.

I think you/Starstruck somehow missed my point. It could likely be fault for not being clear enough so let me restate it:

I like being able to pick and choose people of MY skill to play with. That doesn't mean I'm good or bad. It merely means I like playing with like minded players. People with the SAME goal. It means if I am a bad player, I like playing with other bad players. We can all struggle and overcome the obstacle together. If I am a decent player it means I can group with other decent players I can count on and learn with/from. If I am an elite player, I play with other elites so I can push the envelope of my respective job/environment.

Still proving my point. It limits your experience to the full player base. You do not know how widespread parser harassment is, why are you even posting here on this issue? parser harassment is common, PERIOD. FFXIV is an exception because of SE's strong stance and even WITH THAT, parser harassment still happens, and the funny thing is, you still did not comment on that fact.

So because of it EXISITING TODAY while being against the ToS, it will ONLY increase with a public one, its simple logic. The oonly one is not understanding is you, not us.

Saying "parsers create more toxicitity" vs. saying "I think parsers create more toxicity, because xyz". One of these opens up discussion and lends credence to the poster, the other one IMO tends to be inflammatory because it comes off as stated as fact with absolutely no insight/evidence to substantiate it.

Then stop passing your opinion as fact?

[Metalwrath]

Parsing has a place in Final fantasy 14 but a very niche place.
I would not want it freely used in all game content.It would be abused in content where parsers arent needed.

The best solutions for the implementation of a parser system would be to have it only enabled in Savage modes where people do dedicate a lot of time for clears.
That being said we could make it optional so if for example you are useing party finder or raid finder there has to be a preselected option by the leader to display that its a party with a parser running.
Having an option like this would also make it viable for extreme trials but it should only be allowed at the highest character level,
What i mean by this is that any under lvl 70 content has parsing removed if players in the party are over the content level.

[Avatre]

Could always end up doing it like the upcoming "record" feature that is happening, where everyone has to consent to it before it gets used. Though, at the same time there is the possibility that it would cause harassment by kicking people who reject the use of it.

It's one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations where the select few who are overly toxic regarding it will ruin it for others.

Me, personally, I don't care if people run the parser as long as they aren't discriminating/harassing others due to it.

[RiyahArp]

the encounters have been similar for the most part, save for a couple gimmicks like the gobwalker or the gorilla, and the raid style gameplay has been static for over three years. They even started standardizing and reusing earlier mechanics from past endgame, in order to enable players to eyeball and predict them. The big difference is that its easier overall, and people only adapted because they nerfed the heck out of HW to bring it down to a much more palatable level.Whenever they make it hard again, grats less than 1% of the playerbase clears, i.e Super Savage. I don't think they'd adapt as easy as people think, and for people who talk so much about unskilled players, they forget how much raiding was nerfed to keep people even doing it, and how easy SE can just break 90% of raiders through difficulty in content. And pigheaded is the constant raider obsession with getting parsers into the game; they need to make raids much harder if they are going to worry so much about others playing and not themselves.

[Paladinleeds]

Though, at the same time there is the possibility that it would cause harassment by kicking people who reject the use of it.

And frankly, if they do that, the person who got kicked is being done a favour. It would come under playstyle differences and I'd say fair game. You can always make your own PF. Not all players are going to gel with each other. I don't gel with the elite for example, I am far too casual. I'm not even midcore these days, so why would I want to play with the elite group who parse? I wouldn't fit in, so I'm best off staying out of it.

Frankly, I think this is what needs to happen at a community level. We need to understand that there are different player groups, and not everyone is going to fit into each player group, and that's absolutely fine! Build up a community of like-minded individuals. Ir's OK to not get on with everyone! Let's not let the select few ruin it for everyone else.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The tank is going to start in tank stance in most casual content, and build enmity enough before switching to DPS because they aren't going to have a NIN to dump aggro or another tank to shirk aggro on them in much content. Red mages opener isn't THAT much DPS, you have all of two OGCD that do sizable damage and 4 OGCD total. Then its just building damage through GCD. The problem is you don't stay in tank stance long at all and rely on more or less cheap tactics to overcome the lack of enmity that don't happen in much of the game, and you use comps that focus on stacking buffs that don't always happen in many party setups.

raiders really cheese a lot of things and think its skill when its not. If the boss ever decided to reflect debuffs, you'd all have no idea what to do.

A tank shouldn't have to use their aggro combo more than once. Even without a Ninja, I can hold aggro through just Tomahawk (Equilibrium) -> Heavy Swing and go into Deliverance from there. It only becomes an issue if there are actually good players in my party or people aren't managing their own aggro. What I will not do is accommodate your laziness. Aggro is the responsibility of everyone. If you cannot be bothered to press Lucid Dreaming, why should I be bothered to assure the boss doesn't smack you? The fact you claim a Red Mage's opening burst doesn't deal "that much damage" shows how little you know of the job. I raid with one while a friend plays it as her secondary main. Without Lucid/Diversion, they will both rip almost instantly.

... what? If I can "cheese" things yet perform the role to an equivalent or superior level, how isn't that skill? Ironically, your post basically boiled down to you shouldn't have to use aggro abilities because tanks should stay in tank stance. And we'd have a far better understanding of what to do than you, considering, you know, we actually raid and push ourselves to be better players. You argue against content you don't even participate in.

[MoroMurasaki]

Still proving my point. It limits your experience to the full player base. You do not know how widespread parser harassment is, why are you even posting here on this issue? parser harassment is common, PERIOD. FFXIV is an exception because of SE's strong stance and even WITH THAT, parser harassment still happens, and the funny thing is, you still did not comment on that fact.

So because of it EXISITING TODAY while being against the ToS, it will ONLY increase with a public one, its simple logic. The oonly one is not understanding is you, not us.

If a parser were implemented would it suddenly negate the fact that harassment is against the ToS and is a bannable offense? I don't think so.

A parser being part of the game does not entitle any player to disrespect any other player. Harrassing some about their dps/glam/irl things will still be against the rules.