Just played Final Fantasy XI

[Clover_Blake]

There is a difference between saying "I dislike MMOs like XI due to <reasons>" and claiming that people must only like the game due to looking at it with rose-tinted glasses. One is giving your opinion, one is discrediting and the opinion of others. It may be a fine difference, but it's there.

With comments like these all over the place:

Yes, FFXI is still a far better game.

You seem to be nitpicking here. Very sensitive and offended about the words from one side, yet oddly understanding and uncaring about the other's.

In any case, let's not derail from the matter. My comment was aimed at the comparison between the way both games are played. At the claim that FFXI is better or more entertaining than FFXIV/modern games in general, I say that FFXI -like most old school MMORPGs- has core systems that are not generally considered fun or rewarding (unless you simply enjoy the "challenge" of being constantly punished or having your time wasted), and I see quite a few old players in this thread that seem to agree. MMORPGs have evolved for a reason.

[ManuelBravo]

FFXI is attractive to people because it's the opposite of this game, and its strengths are this game's flaws and vice versa. Like there is no large endgame in this game for players of all skill types like Sky, and there is virtually no group open world content. There's no real economy in FFXIV, and you can ignore crafting for the most part. The flip side though is everything in FFXI was a big pain in the butt to actually do, and you couldn't just pop in and make slow progress; yo could even lose progress if someone screwed up. It's just that the positives of ffxi are looking really attractive since this game isn't bothering to change much or make meaningful content in the modes it already has.

FFXI is still a pretty good game, I still play it when I'm bored of FFXIV. I really miss the whole hard work dynamics of it. The only real reason I play FFXIV and FFXI is more for the story and just like FFXI I want all relics.

[ManuelBravo]

With comments like these all over the place:

You seem to be nitpicking here. Very sensitive and offended about the words from one side, yet oddly understanding and uncaring about the other's.

In any case, let's not derail from the matter. My comment was aimed at the comparison between the way both games are played. At the claim that FFXI is better or more entertaining than FFXIV/modern games in general, I say that FFXI -like most old school MMORPGs- has core systems that are not generally considered fun or rewarding (unless you simply enjoy the "challenge" of being constantly punished or having your time wasted), and I see quite a few old players in this thread that seem to agree. MMORPGs have evolved for a reason.

Your right MMORPGs have evolved, they are more designed for the cupcake / snowflake / here is a trophy for trying generation.

[Zumi]

I would pop on my FFXI character if SE bought back the discount like make it a couple dollars to add FFXI sub to your account if you already pay for FFXIV. I usually play some FFXI when they have the free weeks.

[Talraen]

It's not rose-tinted glasses that make people think FFXI is great; it's survivorship bias. The game was actively hostile to the huge majority of players, most of whom stopped playing it and aren't in this thread claiming it was great. If you were lucky enough to have the right circumstances to love FFXI, good for you. However, it is not possible to create a game like that with wide appeal, by its very nature.

[silverlunarfox]

Your right MMORPGs have evolved, they are more designed for the cupcake / snowflake / here is a trophy for trying generation.

*snort* please...

The game has evolved so more people can play it (i.e. buy it).

[alimdia]

Your right MMORPGs have evolved, they are more designed for the cupcake / snowflake / here is a trophy for trying generation.

Since we're all playing and enjoying this game, I'm curious if you're trying to insult everyone in this thread with those names.

[ManuelBravo]

It's not rose-tinted glasses that make people think FFXI is great; it's survivorship bias. The game was actively hostile to the huge majority of players, most of whom stopped playing it and aren't in this thread claiming it was great. If you were lucky enough to have the right circumstances to love FFXI, good for you. However, it is not possible to create a game like that with wide appeal, by its very nature.

I disagree , FFXI was not really hostile towards people. It was more of a group effort and it took part from both ends. I myself ran an LS , in fact the people that were anti social were the ones that had the hardest time. Back in early FFXI, if you recall when it first came out, some people were duo boxing ( my self included ) just to help my group speed things up. Even today is not hard and most people will still help if you can proof your not one of those who just gets what they want and leave. That was the biggest poison in FFXI. The story, and even now NPC's that can help you with content have made it solo friendly for normal story line. For endgame I would recommend checking LS groups and forums. So no it was not the hostility, it was more of people wanting stuff for not doing the work and taking advantage of people. That and being anti social.

[Skivvy]

With comments like these all over the place:

You seem to be nitpicking here. Very sensitive and offended about the words from one side, yet oddly understanding and uncaring about the other's.

What you quoted is an opinion, and as I said, you are more than welcome to share your own.

I don't care if people hate XI. Makes absolutely no difference to me at all. What I don't like is people who can't seem to have normal conversions without twisting words or just writing off an opinion they don't agree with using some frivolous excuse.

Please show me where I've been sensitive or offended over someone saying they don't like XI. Please. Because at this point you're just making things up.

[ManuelBravo]

Since we're all playing and enjoying this game, I'm curious if you're trying to insult everyone in this thread with those names.

Nope this is more towards the people that complain that content is too hard and complain within the first week and really don't know or understand what a TRUE grind is. If it hits someones nerve I would wonder why. For those who actually played FFXI and know what a grind is, teamwork, and hardships of content they get it.