The Journey - Is It Still Wanted?

[PrettyPrincess]

show me a victory where the entire party does not have sentinel 1M gil on the table.

FWIW sentinel looks like its been removed from the game in 1.20

The first part of your question will soon be answered.

As for the rest, I dont recall our pug sitting in the corner, or our second marauder standing being useless.

[AdvancedWind]

Silly I have an open minded ls for events such as Ifrit none of that pickup garbage.

I have no doubt about that, but what I (sure, in a pretty snarky and crappy way) wanted to say is: When something becomes the "norm", it is hardly an "option". We have the "option" of not learning X, however if a major portion of the playerbase gives priority to players with X (when those players aren't completely left off the content), then it's not that much of an option.

Sure, players in a good group of friends will do that content even naked, just the lolz, but the average joe in a not so open minded linkshell, or depending on pick up parties are likely leveing up Gladiator for Sentinel while I type this. lol

[Gasher]

How does everyone else feel?

Thank you Kiara, for writing this post. Your description is well versed and covers all of the excitement and adventure which I am looking forward to in FFXIV. That is, if this type of journey-type content ever becomes a part of FFXIV.

Anyhow, an amazing post. Thank you!

[PrettyPrincess]

I have no doubt about that, but what I (sure, in a pretty snarky and crappy way) wanted to say is: When something becomes the "norm", it is hardly an "option". We have the "option" of not learning X, however if a major portion of the playerbase gives priority to players with X (when those players aren't completely left off the content), then it's not that much of an option. Sure, players in a good group of friends will do that content even naked, just the lolz. But the average joe in a not so open minded linkshell, or depending on pick up parties are likely leveing up Gladiator for Sentinel while I type this. lol

hmmm I see. Well, I've always thought that doing everything the "norm" way is silly. It's restricting to people who want to try different things. If there are multiple ways of doing something why try and have "one" way of doing it? It's all about having options.

It's like leveling. People have different options for leveling at their own pace. parties, leves, behests, duos, trios, etc.

[Lucifer]

Now, to adress some of the things said in this thread.

I do agree with quite a lot of what's has been discussed here in regards to both FFXIV's lack of varied environments, sense of progression and the ridiculously easy leveling curve due to the PL craze.

However, I do NOT agree with quite a few players that keep dropping sentences like

"You need to EARN X"

"you need to work very hard to level up!"

and other similar posts.

This is a damn game and we should never "work" towards having our fun. We should have fun while "working" towards our goals. And sorry, shouting for parties for a hour, then wasting half a hour to reach the spot, kill the same crap for hours and then losing your level after getting killed by a random NM that you aggroed because of a minimal mistake is NOT fun. Okay, maybe that last part can be funny sometimes..

Anyways, yes, we should be rewarded by spending more time in the game and we should be rewarded by taking the time to do whatever time sink is imposed to us, be it a grind or whatever it is. However, said time sink SHOULD ultimately be fun. That's the proper way to do a time sink. In other words, I'm totally against grinding for grind's sake. Grinding so we "earn" the right to level up and do other content.

Either you agree or you disagree.
What ever your stance is on it, I do understand that things like having to form parties is a big hassle. Grinding doesn't have to be the only thing in the progressions arsenal. I've stated this many times but SE can easily bring back level cap quests and possibly some quests for the more advanced spells.

SE could even make some level ranges be exclusively tied to a quest line. You would NEED to finish certain quests to get the experienced needed to achieve the next level. That's probably a bad idea but I'm thinking outside of having to grind for experience points.

Fun is definitely the biggest factor though.

[AdvancedWind]

hmmm I see. Well, I've always thought that doing everything the "norm" way is silly. It's restricting to people who want to try different things. If there are multiple ways of doing something why try and have "one" way of doing it? It's all about having options.

It's like leveling. People have different options for leveling at their own pace. parties, leves, behests, duos, trios, etc.

The general thought process of the average MMO player is as follows:

"If there are multiple ways of achieving the same goal, choose the one least likely to fail, or the fastest."

Using Sentinel significantly reduces chances of failing against Ifrit; therefore, most players will fall back to it and expect others to do the same.

Power leveling significantly reduces grinding time; therefore, most players will fall back to it and expect others to do the same.

See what I'm getting at? The whole "having options" argument is pretty on paper, but hardly true when taking into account the entire playerbase and their reactions to whatever "choice" is given.

[tachikoma]

The first part of your question will soon be answered.

As for the rest, I dont recall our pug sitting in the corner, or our second marauder standing being useless.

I'd spend the 5min. watching a non sentinel version of Ifrit, and yes I'm sure you can do it. You have what appears to be a good group of players that have above avg intelligence:

kill nail away from ifrit with dedicated healer to keep dd top off, use HP+ equip, have mage chainspell SS @ the 1min. mark to give dd enough buffer. Or kill all nails (I can't remember what happened on that run in our shell) I think it lowered the dmg vs the 1-3 nail type runs. I still think it will be a worthy challenge that a normal group could not handle.

And you should parse a PGL or any non LNC type in this fight its just depressing. Only the mrd tank can keep up decent dps because he doesn't have to move as much. And don't forget to watch the pgl/mrd damage taken, have brucy parse it with the new version I posted on pro and export data.

[Lucifer]

The general thought process of the average MMO player is as follows:

"If there are multiple ways of achieving the same goal, choose the one least likely to fail, or the fastest."

Using Sentinel significantly reduces chances of failing against Ifrit; therefore, most players will fall back to it and expect others to do the same.

Power leveling significantly reduces grinding time; therefore, most players will fall back to it and expect others to do the same.

See what I'm getting at? The whole "having options" argument is pretty on paper, but hardly true when taking into account the entire playerbase and their reactions to whatever "choice" is given.

Your point is very true. I am guilty of the same thing.
I strongly support forced community interaction. I feel it is the best way to strengthen communities. There are people who are very against this and feel like soloing is better because of time constraints and what not. Completely goes over my head. We all have jobs (I hope), or go to school and we still manage to get things accomplished. I am paying a monthly fee because I expect to be playing for many moons. Why is all the content feasible in less than a week? With the right friends, you can power level to fifty in one to two days and be on your way to Ifrit.

What the hell?

[Jinko]

I will be paying a monthly fee because I expect to be playing for many moons. Why is all the content feasible in less than a week? With the right friends, you can power level to fifty in one to two days and be on your way to Ifrit.

What the hell?

Fixed ....

As I said before though this game is lacking in content still, a new player in theory should have a lot to do and come 2.0 even more.

For people at 50 there is no surprise we burn through content within a matter of weeks we have nothing better to do and its impossible for devs to put out enough content to keep us truely entertained especially considering half the team is working on 2.0.

[PrettyPrincess]

I'd spend the 5min. watching a non sentinel version of Ifrit, and yes I'm sure you can do it. You have what appears to be a good group of players that have above avg intelligence:

kill nail away from ifrit with dedicated healer to keep dd top off, use HP+ equip, have mage chainspell SS @ the 1min. mark to give dd enough buffer. Or kill all nails (I can't remember what happened on that run in our shell) I think it lowered the dmg vs the 1-3 nail type runs. I still think it will be a worthy challenge that a normal group could not handle.

And you should parse a PGL or any non LNC type in this fight its just depressing. Only the mrd tank can keep up decent dps because he doesn't have to move as much. And don't forget to watch the pgl/mrd damage taken, have brucy parse it with the new version I posted on pro and export data.

I know that a lnc can out damage a pug, I'm sure everyone knows that. The point is any class can do this fight. So doing parser data now would be kinda silly. Though I think it owuld be more interesting to parse after the patch with the new skills