Survey: Community Opinions Regarding Parsing/Parsers in Final Fantasy XIV

[Vstarstruck]

I'm playing with pugs, who have similar skill as I do, while that is certainly a more insular crowd, it's not a closed/fixed group as you're implying. That is because the game lets me filter players out that are clearly looking for a carry and as such tension for me is non-existent whereas FF14 expects me to becomplacent in carrying ignorant players.

I find that when you remove the agenda (i.e. players sneaking into DF trying to be carried or watching netflix, or in PF who really need more practice in Exdeath, but join a GCO to clear party, etc.) it generally removes the rift between the community. There will always be harassment claims and they absolutely should be handled, but please don't conflate harassment with parsers as they are not directly related.

You proved my point again, that is still a closed group, and not with anyone, parser harassment is common in wow, but you admited you keep away from that so point?

The problem is that you do not have any actual data that suggests one way or the other. You are misinterpreting your emotional bias and limited anecdotal experience as analysis.

You have the same problem don't you? Esp when you admit being in a crowd of a select few, you do not know what the majority is, therefor I can say you are the one stating a conclusion with anecdotal experience and having emotional bias. Because guess what? Parser harassment happens IN FFXIV!!! when they have it against the ToS, it is pretty obvious it will only increase if you give out a public parser, and that is why SE does not want to do it. Are you really suggesting one person vs the devs who has chat logs, going to believe YOUR "anecdotal experience as analysis"

grats on the biggest pot meet kettle I ever saw.

Yoshi P, as well as SE, is capable of being incorrect on a stance and are capable of changing their viewpoint, no matter how polarizing it may be.

Ya sure its not like he has no clue on what goes reported and have people relay important information time to time.

A person that thinks they know more then Gm team/ development team of the game in question, unbelievable. You are in some cave if you think parser harassment is very few cases.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Never seen a need for parser, except in the most hardcore groups. Used for eliminating the weakest link. For the masses, if Diversion is in your rotation and kept on cool down, and still seeing orange now and then, you're fine. Or if MT dies and boss immediately smacks you, you're fine. I find it easy to tell how well I am doing that way.

I very strongly recommend you check out ACT to realign your perceptions. Not only is your analysis of threat and DPS completely incorrect, there are other factors that are significantly reducing your "merit" to make this statement.

You proved my point again, that is still a closed group, and not with anyone, parser harassment is common in wow, but you admited you keep away from that so point?

I must be misunderstanding you somewhere. I don't "intentionally" keep away from parser harassment in WoW. I simply don't see it. I still PUG content frequently.

You have the same problem don't you? Esp when you admit being in a crowd of a select few, you do not know what the majority is, therefor I can say you are the one stating a conclusion with anecdotal experience and having emotional bias. Because guess what? Parser harassment happens IN FFXIV!!! when they have it against the ToS, it is pretty obvious it will only increase if you give out a public parser, and that is why SE does not want to do it. Are you really suggesting one person vs the devs who has chat logs, going to believe YOUR "anecdotal experience as analysis"

Read my post, and read yours. Which one of us sounds "emotional"? Where did I say anything about being in a crowd of "select few"?

The other major difference in our posts is that I am stating my opinion and providing examples to support my statements. You are stating yours as if it was fact. Which is not the case.

Another tidbit you had wrong is I have never once stated parser harassment does not occur EVER. That is ridiculous stance to take. I've always tried to direct your attention from the constant combination of the words "parser" and "harassment". They are 2 separate things.

Ya sure its not like he has no clue on what goes reported and have people relay important information time to time.

A person that thinks they know more then Gm team/ development team of the game in question, unbelievable. You are in some cave if you think parser harassment is very few cases.

Again, in what world did I ever say or imply I knew more than Yoshi personally? I've simply stated examples of why Yoshi's word isn't the hand of god.

Please, do me a favor. The next time you PERSONALLY see harassment stemming from a parser, copy and paste it, report it, and then post it here for all of us to see. This way I can keep track of it.

[Vstarstruck]

Kaidea, I think she means that even if you pug, you probably pug at the highest difficulty levels where they filter out harassment because the pool of raiders that can play at that level is small anyways. You can't really evaluate the parser culture because the bulk of it is going to hit peoplein the middle reaches of skill, in the same way Overwatch pros and normal players have different cultures and player rankings. Generally world firsters you have to ignore in these discussions; they aren't the ones who are indicative of the general culture of the game.

THANK YOU!

I very strongly recommend you check out ACT to realign your perceptions. Not only is your analysis of threat and DPS completely incorrect, there are other factors that are significantly reducing your "merit" to make this statement.



I must be misunderstanding you somewhere. I don't "intentionally" keep away from parser harassment in WoW. I simply don't see it. I still PUG content frequently.



Read my post, and read yours. Which one of us sounds "emotional"? Where did I say anything about being in a crowd of "select few"?

The other major difference in our posts is that I am stating my opinion and providing examples to support my statements. You are stating yours as if it was fact. Which is not the case.

Another tidbit you had wrong is I have never once stated parser harassment does not occur EVER. That is ridiculous stance to take. I've always tried to direct your attention from the constant combination of the words "parser" and "harassment". They are 2 separate things.



Again, in what world did I ever say or imply I knew more than Yoshi personally? I've simply stated examples of why Yoshi's word isn't the hand of god.

Please, do me a favor. The next time you PERSONALLY see harassment stemming from a parser, copy and paste it, report it, and then post it here for all of us to see. This way I can keep track of it.

No you are trying to pass your limited experience as fact by calling everyone else having "anecdotal experience".
The only "anecdotal experience" is yours, your "anecdotal experience" is the minority.

So I am confused, in your old posts you seem to be trying to pass your experience as fact, and now you take back in saying "I have never once stated parser harassment does not occur" and also this is backstepping your discussion "I've always tried to direct your attention from the constant combination of the words "parser" and "harassment". They are 2 separate things."

I am not a 5 year old, you can talk about one's dps without a parser and without harassment. I am always been referring to harassment based on parsers, as in, something wouldn't happen if the person was not using them, like kick abuse, repeatably being vulgar, telling people to uninstall and die, making people feel bad because some healer or tank has more DPS then someone on DPS job, etc... You did not give support to anything other then proving my point, like the other poster tried to explain, it is from your limited range of people that you deal with, to make it seem parser harassment is at a minimum on wow. ON FFXIV the only reason you do not see it a lot is because most people know they will be easily hit by a GM when it is reported, and yet PEOPLE STILL DO IT, rarely, but the fact remains it still happens when it is a ToS violation, what do you think will happen if they allow public parers? GM calls be flooded with complaints. That is another reason they do not want to open Pandora's box, it is quite clear they do not get a lot of budget and a small GM team, they wouldn't be able to handle the volume of calls it would bring, on top of large skill gaps, you are just playing with fire, releasing a public parser in this game's state.

[HyoMinPark]

No you are trying to pass your limited experience as fact by calling everyone else having "anecdotal experience".
The only "anecdotal experience" is yours, your "anecdotal experience" is the minority.

To be fair, everyone's experiences here are considered anecdotal. Everyone has their own personal experiences regarding parsers; personal equates to anecdotal. Unless the same experience is considered massive/the majority (and I'm talking 50% of the playerbase or more, so effectively ~450,000 personal accounts, since Lucky's last census had active characters near 900,000), they're all anecdotes. The good and the bad.

This is speaking strictly on FFXIV. I cannot speak for other games (WoW, Overwatch, etc.) because I don't play them.

[Vstarstruck]

To be fair, everyone's experiences here are considered anecdotal. Everyone has their own personal experiences regarding parsers; personal equates to anecdotal. Unless the same experience is considered massive/the majority (and I'm talking 50% of the playerbase or more, so effectively ~450,000 personal accounts, since Lucky's last census had active characters near 900,000), they're all anecdotes. The good and the bad.

This is speaking strictly on FFXIV. I cannot speak for other games (WoW, Overwatch, etc.) because I don't play them.

yeah ik, but i think the other person is having issues seeing that, that was the point of my last post, well post before the one you quoted of me