For the Love of the TWELVE Can We Get a Proper Elemental Wheel?

[CoDeWa]

Thought I was going to disagree with this post before reading it. Heh. A more understandable elemental wheel would be nice.

[CoDeWa]

[QUOTE=whoopeeragon;452641]

but why dont make it more of that "feeling natural right" ? everybody would tell you that water extinguishes fire.. point and thats it.

A bucket of water, my dear, will not be very effective against an inferno. A quick moving air which sucks out oxygen from around the blaze will nearly instantly cause a very very shor life for the flames. And what was it when water gets overly heated by fire...?...oh yes, it turns to steam.

If you use wind to suck the oxygen out of an area, unless closed off, that area is going to be quickly replaced with the gas nearest to it, which is also oxygen.

[Aenarion]

You DO know from high school science that the air that you blow from your lungs is carbon dioxide - the same stuff that is used in fire extinguishers to blow out fire, right? CO2 is used to stop fires - that's why you can blow out the candles on your cake.

You DO realize you're wrong right? the air you exhale contains slightly more carbon dioxide, and slightly less oxygen (down from 20% to about 14-16%). If breathing worked the way you claim it does, CPR would kill people instead of saving them

you can extinguish fire with a myriad of things, whether it's wind, water, or whatever, as long as you achieve the goals of denying the oxidation reaction its reactant, which is the shit that's burning, or oxygen itself. it's all about scale in this case, enough of wind or water can extinguish a fire, and not enough of it will either do little, or help spread the fire along.

the serious lack of proper science knowledge in this topic is both hilarious and saddening at the same time.

[Razor]

the serious lack of proper science knowledge in this topic is both hilarious and saddening at the same time.

For some reason, that comment made me laugh even though I already knew it was true.

You can extinguish fire with a myriad of things, whether it's wind, water, or whatever, as long as you achieve the goals of denying the oxidation reaction its reactant, which is the shit that's burning, or oxygen itself. it's all about scale in this case, enough of wind or water can extinguish a fire, and not enough of it will either do little, or help spread the fire along.

I'm glad you brought that up because it goes along with something I had said earlier. You can even use gasoline to put out a fire if you were to pour enough of it fast enough onto the flame to prevent the flame from breathing. (EDIT: I highly recommend none of you try this at home outside of a controlled lab station because it has a very high risk of backfiring, but for the sake of an extreme example, it does actually work.)

The issue is that if you had a mild flame like say... your hair was on fire. And you had 3 resources available to you: A compressed air gun, a pale of water, and a pale of gasoline, which would you use?

All of which could be sufficient to put out the fire under the right circumstances but water is the only resource that has no risk of making the situation worse. (Unless of course you love hair gel and the fire on your head is a grease fire, but even then the reason why you don't use water on a grease fire has less to do with the fact of water vs fire but would require a much longer explanation to anyone without a chemistry background)

[Payadopa]

Are we really talking chemistry here? In a fantasy game?

[Lebannen]

I would like it to change and make more sense.

[ninesunz]

This thread is so full of LAWL!!!!

[normalforce]

Are we really talking chemistry here? In a fantasy game?

So, I've been looking at this so-called "elemental" chart, but it seems to be missing quite a few elements...

http://xkcd.com/965/

[Answa]

So, I've been looking at this so-called "elemental" chart, but it seems to be missing quite a few elements...

http://xkcd.com/965/

xkcd, full of such nerdy delights.

[Spellbinder]

Ok, so with no water attacks in the game until 2.0, what will mages do against mobs that are weak to water? Are they being changed? New elemental wheel?