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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    So many strategies, tactics and situational counter play is gone. I hope they see how flawed it is, with the re introduction of premade teams, the hardswaps will be ridiculous.
    I'm inclined to disagree. Despite all the skills being gone, the revamp to pvp made it more of a team based game, where strategies are definitely needed in order to win because it's so simplified. You've got to have a good awareness and quick reactions to be able to compete with high tier players.
    Just use Aether League as an example of that. It's not a solo based game anymore. When LP comes out, you'll be able to see first hand what team oriented games can actually do. And trust me, players are playing way better now than ever before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AchaNoYumi View Post
    Despite all the skills being gone, the revamp to pvp made it more of a team based game, where strategies are definitely needed in order to win because it's so simplified. You've got to have a good awareness and quick reactions to be able to compete with high tier players.
    Just use Aether League as an example of that. It's not a solo based game anymore. When LP comes out, you'll be able to see first hand what team oriented games can actually do. And trust me, players are playing way better now than ever before.
    It has always been a team based game. Also players aren't playing better outside of feast. Frontlines and Astragalos, people are generally worse. I can't speak to Feast since I don't participate. It wasn't a solo game before and if anything it was more team based. I don't see how this information is based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AchaNoYumi View Post
    And trust me, players are playing way better now than ever before.
    Things I've said in actual matches:
    "Please don't drop off cliffs when the enemy is already below. You'll just be at half health and easy to pick off."
    "MCHs, fully loading ammo before battle locks you out of heat generation for 3 shots, and prevents you from being able to deal higher damage right away."
    "Don't ignore half dead enemies for ice. They can't score from it if they're not alive to."
    "Please get off your mount before you're in range of the enemy."
    "It's not the color of your team that matters, it's how well you play."
    "Um. . . Freelancer only applies to Frontlines. That's why it's called Frontline Freelancer."
    "There's more to this than just capping mid."
    "Please read your maps."
    "Please focus the marked target."
    "Please focus the NEAR DEAD marked target."
    "You have plenty of time to try and come back. Keep fighting."

    Shall I go on?

    P.S. The best part is being told how wrong you are about some of these, when you know you aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post

    Shall I go on?

    P.S. The best part is being told how wrong you are about some of these, when you know you aren't.
    I have an answer to your problem.

    You do Frontlines.
    Time to grow up in the PvP world and aim for top 100. Then you'll know what I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AchaNoYumi View Post
    where strategies are definitely needed in order to win because it's so simplified. You've got to have a good awareness and quick reactions to be able to compete
    My toolkit was just so much bigger to deal with many situations. As Mnk I could steal all the buffs of tanks or range dps who just popped raging strikes, I could use a skill to increase the cast time of an enemy, I could pacify melees, I could use keen flurry, storms eye to evade and parry other melees while facetargeting them. I could help my healer with mantra and stuns, I could spam silence for a really long time to stop enemy healer or to stop enemy dps. I had to built up resistence down and keep dots up in order to be able to kill something, I couldnt just fall back and wait/hide and kill somebody in 3gcd like it is nowpossible. Being aggressive player paid out, now its often the opposite. What can I do now? I can't even run away if I don't use bolt. xD

    I see way 2 many people dying in safeguard and tank lb or protect, which are all mitigations around 20%, but if really all players of your team attack at once you have like a 20k dmg spike in 2 GCD, 20% wont stop them from death. Strategies are still needed but your resources to counter them are limited and not very effective, I want my counters to be effective, that is what good awareness is about.
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