Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Hruodig]

Honestly? I don't really care. I log in and complete EX roulette once a day and raid once a week. I barely even pay attention to what others are doing in DF parties. I heal and dps.... I focus on what I do, then move on.

If you don't care then why bother commenting? Obviously a lot of us do care and think it shouldn't be acceptable for a dps to get out-parsed by a tank or healer. It'd save you a lot of effort if you just ignored these threads.

[Jijifli]

I guess people would be less aggravated about how others play if they didn't use dps meters to keep tabs on how others are performing.

Not using a parser to see any numbers.

I still see when people are pressing only Butcher's Block. I still see when summoners won't dot or even cast. I still see when the Black Mage is spamming thunder IV on single target.

Maybe using a program to see dps isn't the problem, but the player actively refusing to do much of anything is.

[MoroMurasaki]

Maybe using a program to see dps isn't the problem, but the player actively refusing to do much of anything is.

Please take all my likes, they are yours.

[Ayer2015]

If you don't care then why bother commenting? Obviously a lot of us do care and think it shouldn't be acceptable for a dps to get out-parsed by a tank or healer. It'd save you a lot of effort if you just ignored these threads.

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

[Kewitt]

I personally agree with OP.
But on the other hand. It's a game where the vast majory just don't care it's a waste of time which is what it's ment to be. For many people playing well and having fun are 2 different things.

I personally take the stance of I want people to think I stood out, when playing whatever game I'm playing when playing with others. Single player games is where I do stupid stuff.

[RichardButte]

they kind of designed it that way.
The story is laughably easy, the 24 man content is designed with the idea of like a third of the group being constantly distracted by a bird outside the window

pvp is not uncommon to have 5/8 of your team to be using that pvp bot that makes them camp at the base entry point and just follow passing players

It's just this weird mentality of video game players that a large portion of them want to get constantly rewarded for absolutely zero effort and they even get offended at the idea that they should at least try to do well; comparing that to working a job.

It's a really weird mentality, can't even think of another interactive hobby where "results from no effort" is a thing

Well said.

And I have to add to this that I don't understand why so many players are so anti-DPS parsers when tanks and healers are already being evaluated for their performance.

Why is it just fine that two of the three roles in this game are scrutinized for their performance, but when it comes to DPS players, I've heard people spout all kinds of nonsense about how we "shouldn't be evaluated on their performance" and how we "should be understanding about the circumstances behind why they play poorly".

It's its own special brand of insanity, especially when DPS checks are very much a THING in this game...

[ovIm]

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

its not that we want this here to be an echo chamber, its just that we dont really hear good opinions or reasons why our view of things is wrong. For example, I still haven't read anywhere why anyone finds it acceptable for DPS to do less damage per second than healers or tanks. I still haven't seen a good reason why a DPS' performance should not be as transparent as a tanks or healers. And as long as we dont hear solid, good arguments, we will continue to be vocal to what we still think is true, our views are not challenged.

[RichardButte]

its not that we want this here to be an echo chamber, its just that we dont really hear good opinions or reasons why our view of things is wrong. For example, I still haven't read anywhere why anyone finds it acceptable for DPS to do less damage per second than healers or tanks. I still haven't seen a good reason why a DPS' performance should not be as transparent as a tanks or healers. And as long as we dont hear solid, good arguments, we will continue to be vocal to what we still is true, our views are not challenged.

This.

I'm a DPS player and I should be held to the same standards of play that tanks and healers are held to because that's FAIR.

I don't understand why anyone feels it's okay for tanks and healers to be judged but DPS players are these fragile little butterflies and they can't risk allowing us to know that WE and we alone are the reason our raid isn't making the DPS check...

[Hruodig]

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

No one's asking for an echo chamber, we're asking for an actual good-faith discussion on this topic. I've seen you go into several threads related to parsing and dps-accountability saying that you don't see why the threads should exist, or that you think every argument has already been made so there's no point to discussing it. It's clear to me that you just don't want these topics to be discussed, so why not ignore them?

[Jijifli]

What's the point of having an echo chamber forum? If no one voices opinions which differ, people assume they are the majority or somehow innately right

I don't need it to be an echo chamber. I want discussion, but I want both sides to bring good points. The only thing I'm generally hearing is anti-parsing, or how I'm overeating over simplest things. Which both are false, when I mention I'm not using a parser and I don't need one to see the same spell animation repeat.

I really, truthfully, honestly here, do not care if it's even sub-par. My expectations have died this low, and my playtime on my main here is showing it. I stopped doing expert until 4.2, even though I could gear the BLM I love so much. If I lowered my expectations much more, I'd stop playing in general. What's the norm for high up? 4k? 5k? I don't care if you're doing 2k in my expert. It's bound to be more than pressing 1 button until you fall asleep.