Question to players

[akaneakki]

Let's say this game was based on ranking. So you have either bronze, silver and gold ranks. So those ranks are spread on:
How much damage you do
Healing on time
Not over healing too much.
DPS actually use a rotatio and do damage as they should do, hence dps.
Tanks using cooldowns proppely, holding aggro
Healers dpsing
Tanks doing a decent amount of damage.

Now let's pretend you are very good so you end up with silver and gold rank players, but if you are bad you end up with only bronze players. Which means people who do blizzard spam etc in dungeons, healers clicking every 10 seconds. Yes even farm groups will end up you being with the same skilled people, so you have 5 wipes a row in farms then maybe 1-2 kill between. Would this be unfair for you all? Or would it be fair?
Basically you have a huge chance of ending up with same minded players, so if you don't aoe in dungeons, you will meet the same type of players in dungeons.

[Sebazy]

I made a similar proposal a while ago.

Effectively a hidden MMR specific to Expert Roulette that tried to put you with more like minded players.

It got shot down somewhat.

A shame as I thought it was a pretty decent shout for everyone, not just the 'elitist try-hards'.

Applying this sort of thing to more challenging content such as Trials and 24mans would be a massive no no for me though. That wouldn't be fair on the casual end of the player base as it'd likely make this sort of content a bit of a nightmare, more so than it already is. At least with Expert content, it's not going to create groups that just wipe constantly, it'll just be putting together people that'd likely unanimously prefer a steadier pace.

*edit*

And yep, you're getting shot down for the same reasons I did, even when those were exact reasons were explicitly covered

*edit2*

At the risk of taking someone elses thread and running off with it:

Let's take the OP's suggestion and lay down a few firmly defined rules for it:

The ranking would be completely hidden from players, you wouldn't be able to see your own rank, let alone anyone elses.

It would apply to Expert Roulette only, storyline stuff, levelling, trials and 24 mans would be completely unaffected by it.

The odds of it actually causing you to fail your duty are next to non existent, how frequently do you fail an expert roulette?

It would only be a system of prioritisation, it's not going to segregate casuals from hardcores, in short, if there's 4 dps in the queue, it'll pair the highest ranked pair and the lowest ranked pairs together along with any corresponding healers that might be waiting. If there's only 2 DPS in the queue, they will get put together irrespective of their rank. Tanks would still end up first come first served unless a number of them queue at the same time.only

[Alestorm]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

[Anienai]

I would like a setting like this since I do not raid.

[akaneakki]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

Like Sebazy said, it wouldn't apply to 24 man and trials. That would be something. I agree everyone deserve to clearn content, but to a degree... If someone is holding everyone else down, what about the rest of the group? Should they be held down and simply try till they get a kill, so just that 1 person can get it? The rank system also prevent people to end up with ''try hards,elitist players etc'' who tries to get content down and also being effcetive about it.

[Ameela]

My main issue with this is how multiple classes would affect it.

Someone can be a 90th percentile Ninja but have no idea what they are doing on Scholar, so would they be paired with people who know what they're doing and expect others to do so as well, even if they queued up on a job they don't know how to play? That might make for unnecessary toxicity.
Also it would just divide queues and those are long enough as is for certain classes.

[Joe_Schmoe]

I wouldn't like it. Why?

• Lack of diversity. It's not that I like running with bad players, but one of the reasons I like random stuff is the wide variety of different types of people you get. Running with the same (type of) people every time, all the time, would get boring fast.

• Reeks too much of apartheid/segregation. This sounds too much like forcing bad players to "sit in the back of the bus", keeping them from associating with anyone else at all. God help the Bads and Mediocres if one could find their rank just by examining them. They'd all be shunned by the FF community, big time.

• Doesn't improve anybody. Bad players won't get any better if they run with other bad players. It'd be like the blind leading the blind. They need to run with players better than themselves so they can see/be taught how to improve. Presumably this was why the mentor system was put in place (although me, I think it's redundant though).

[Sebazy]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

Yep, that's something we don't want nor need in this community.

Any sort of system in place like this would absolutely *have* to be completely hidden and apply to Expert only.

Even as a non Mentor, I still feel that there is a mild obligation on high end players to help bring the fresh blood up through the ranks, be it via farming 'trivial' content for tokens or relics or helping carry the burden in trials and 24man stuff. Expert roulette is kind of unique in that you can't really fail it, the difference between a top tier and bottom rung group is about 10 minutes of your time and little else.

If poor players only ever got matched with poor players for storyline stuff and then none of them were able to clear anything, then they'd quit the game and SE would lose sub money.

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

[Miksu]

We playin' Overwatch now, boys.

[Tempest222]

If poor players only ever got matched with poor players for storyline stuff and then none of them were able to clear anything, then they'd quit the game and SE would lose sub money. If someone is that bad then you can try for a votekick, otherwise, personally I really am not fussed at all if someone isn't playing well. I've been in instances where the healer or tank are struggling and sometimes we wipe, but it's not a big deal to me and in casual storyline content you are 99% going to clear anyway. I know some people get really mad about wiping or taking 3 minutes longer than they are used to to finish something or the idea of carrying someone aggravates them, and I get that, but I'm just more like eh whatever not the end of the world. Taking an extra 5 minutes isn't going to ruin my day.

Anyone who is picky about the types of players they play with or who can't stand being sometimes matched with someone way below par can search for like minded players via party finder or go with friends.