Question to players

[Alestorm]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

[akaneakki]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

Like Sebazy said, it wouldn't apply to 24 man and trials. That would be something. I agree everyone deserve to clearn content, but to a degree... If someone is holding everyone else down, what about the rest of the group? Should they be held down and simply try till they get a kill, so just that 1 person can get it? The rank system also prevent people to end up with ''try hards,elitist players etc'' who tries to get content down and also being effcetive about it.

[Hausti]

If someone is holding everyone else down, what about the rest of the group? Should they be held down and simply try till they get a kill, so just that 1 person can get it?

This is why we have the votekick system.

To the OP: No we dont need a ranking system. If you dont want to deal with bad players then just run with premades.
Also i think that maybe SE should change the name of the expert roulette. They might be the latest dungeons but they're not that difficult that only "experts" can run those. Sure on lv70 everyone should know theire class by now. But we're talking about the DF where you meet all kind of different people

[akaneakki]

This is why we have the votekick system.

To the OP: No we dont need a ranking system. If you dont want to deal with bad players then just run with premades.
Also i think that SE should rchange the name of the expert roulette. They might be the latest dungeons but they're not that difficult that only "experts" should run those

You must be high. I'm the OP and you clearly didn't read what I said on the post above yours.

[Hausti]

You must be high. I'm the OP.

Im sorry. Typing via phone so i only recognized you as the OP after that.

[Sebazy]

Short answer is "no". We should all have the same chance to experience/clear content as anyone else. It sucks to be with someone who never reads a guide or even patch notes. Also all rankings would do is breed a toxic community of "Your in *rank here*, your opinion doesn't matter". Overwatch and League of Legends has this very issue.

Yep, that's something we don't want nor need in this community.

Any sort of system in place like this would absolutely *have* to be completely hidden and apply to Expert only.

Even as a non Mentor, I still feel that there is a mild obligation on high end players to help bring the fresh blood up through the ranks, be it via farming 'trivial' content for tokens or relics or helping carry the burden in trials and 24man stuff. Expert roulette is kind of unique in that you can't really fail it, the difference between a top tier and bottom rung group is about 10 minutes of your time and little else.

If poor players only ever got matched with poor players for storyline stuff and then none of them were able to clear anything, then they'd quit the game and SE would lose sub money.

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

[akaneakki]

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

TBH only expert roulette would be good too!

[Tempest222]

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

Well, I haven't gotten over ilevel 300 and completed Drowned City of Skalla yet, so am not even sure what's included in expert roulette. I haven't unlocked anything since a few level 50 things that weren't part of the msq, so I'm going to assume expert roulette is mostly or at least partly picking from things people had to do to get thtrough the main story quest. Imo, that's casual stuff, so my opinion is the same.

At the end of the day not so good players will always be there. Some people are more bothered by them than others. I still think if someone is that bothered then they can do pf or play with friends.

[Tridus]

Well, I haven't gotten over ilevel 300 and completed Drowned City of Skalla yet, so am not even sure what's included in expert roulette. I haven't unlocked anything since a few level 50 things that weren't part of the msq, so I'm going to assume expert roulette is mostly or at least partly picking from things people had to do to get thtrough the main story quest. Imo, that's casual stuff, so my opinion is the same.

Expert right now is all four level 70 endgame dungeons. Two of them are MSQ required: Ala Mhigo and Drowned City of Skalla. The other two are optional (Kugane Castle and Temple of the Fist).

Expert changes as patches come and go, though. What's in it in 4.2 will change as they add two new dungeons to it, and some (or possibly all) of the ones currently in it will come out. Generally speaking it's "whatever the newest max level dungeons are".

[Vstarstruck]

Would your opinion be any different if this idea was only applied to Expert?

No, and I have a story someone told me as for why.

First off if new people only go with new people they will not learn or get to see what skilled players can do. Even at 70, entering expert has huge skill gaps. Now If this person in question entered the highest dungeon of expert, The drowned city of Skalla, that person would not be spoken to on how important having foul and at least i300 weapon entering an ilevel 300 dungon. The only way a person is going to learn it is not acceptable is to be told they need to do their level 70 quest and be removed from the dungeon since they are not ready for it. Other new players would be unable to explain and make a decision like that.

So this idea of trying pair up people with skill is no good, it does not help anyone other then newer players hitting unsub because dungeons take too long and is too hard. Here is another good post why it is a bad idea:

No. The idea of a preformed party is that you play with like-minded players. If you only want like-minded, go preformed, simples.

There's legitimate players who play with disability, or any other disadvantage, so they can't perform as effectively as other players even if they tried their best. So pairing them with someone who doesn't try isn't fair on a player who does try. As has been mentioned people do commonly play with several classes so it wouldn't really be an effective system based on that alone. What about friends that play together? One is of a 'bronze' ranking, and the other of a 'gold' ranking. Some people play simply to play with friends regardless of how skilled, or unskilled they may be.

More importantly, it's a casual gaming experience so there's no need to attach a ranking system which would only further divide a community of players very heavily. Again, if you only want to play with like-minded people then you setup a preformed party for the majority of content you take seriously, you save both sides of the party the unpleasant experience. I play to enjoy myself, and a passtime when I have nothing better to do, so whether a dungeon takes 15 minutes or 30 minutes, matters not. Whether I 1 shot a difficult trial, or whether it requires several attempts.

Again, the last thing an MMO needs IMO, especially one aimed for a casual playerbase is a divide in communities thanks to a leaderboard.

Do you supposed 'golden boys and girls' wish to divide queues? Bear in mind, that you'd be in the minority, and not majority. Have fun with that experience.