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    Cakekizyy's Avatar
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    Do y’all ask if someone wants help first?
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    Player MoroMurasaki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cakekizyy View Post
    Do y’all ask if someone wants help first?
    I used to but with as many silent players as there are out there it seems pointless. Plus then I'm delaying an already slow dungeon for what amounts to a pointless exchange. Either they want help and will take it when it's given to them or they don't and they're going to keep playing poorly anyways.

    If they're the latter I don't really mind if my suggestions on how they can better themselves and help the group happen to offend them since they're already kinda crappy people.
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cakekizyy View Post
    Do y’all ask if someone wants help first?
    Why should I? Because it might hurt their feelings to be told by a more experienced player their rotation is a hindrance to the group? How about they show some humility and thank the person for taking time to offer advice so everyone benefits? Guess we can't risk fragmenting their safe space.

    And before anyone jumps, this assumes the advice offered was polite and not antagonistic.
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    And before anyone jumps, this assumes the advice offered was polite and not antagonistic.
    "Hey BLM, try using Blizzard III and Fire III to swap instead of Transpose. It lets you go back to fire much faster and feels smoother."

    "Yo screw off I'll play how I want don't baby me I know what I'm doing."

    This is the general reaction I get when I mention it. All the back to when I started in ARR. Being a lover of BLM stinks when people don't play it right and refuse to listen to honest advice that, personally, makes the job actually feel correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Why should I?
    So you can save yourself the effort of writing more than one short question.

    If they don't want your advice, they are going to ignore it either way and you're just wasting your time typing anything more. The only time you achieve anything is if they are receptive to advice. The question thus allows you to check whether you'll be wasting your time trying to give them advice or not.
    That might not be relevant to you because you don't care whether you are wasting your time or not, but it's more efficient to ask in advance. The fact that it looks more considerate to the other person is a bonus.
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    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cakekizyy View Post
    Do y’all ask if someone wants help first?
    If they're inconveniencing other people then it should not matter whether or not they want help and advice. If they want to go and do their own thing and never have to deal with any feedback whatsoever then they can stick to single player games or focus purely on solo content. The moment they sign up for group content they open themselves up to criticism. It should be constructive, mind you, though they should not get a free pass if they're leading to other people's precious time being wasted. Alas, unfortunately it has become very common in the present day for people to adapt the idea that they can do whatever they want, however they want and that anyone who tries to step in and offer advice is some sort of horrible elitist.
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