Are people really like this?

[Nedkel]

that would drive me nuts playing that, props to those that can deal with it

Only thing I dislike about ps4 players is using that as an excuse over not to communicate with people. Other then that I do not care.

Whats wrong with 60 fps o.o

[Sylvina]

Whats wrong with 60 fps o.o

Nothing almost no one can actually see a difference between that and higher anyway. 30 FPS can look fine to most people.

[Sebazy]

Nothing almost no one can actually see a difference between that and higher anyway. 30 FPS can look fine to most people.

An opinion perpetuated by the fact that the overwhelming majority have never used anything beyond a 60hz display, 60 fps is all you'll ever see because that's as fast as the display can go.

Even 100hz has a substantial impact on something as simple as just swiping a window around the desktop. Give a 144hz+ display a GPU and game combination capable of feeding it and the results are even more profound (Not to mention the latency advantages it brings with it). Don't take my word for it tho, have a play with a new iPad Pro if you get a chance, that too uses a 120hz refresh rate and the UI is buttery smooth as a result.

As for 30 fps, I think it depends on a combination of the game and said person's prior experience. Whilst it grates a bit, I quite happily tolerate Xenoblade 2 dipping into the low 20s at times, it really doesn't affect the gameplay in any real measure. If I was trying to play Overwatch with similar levels of performance, I'd either be throwing up or throwing the thing out the window tho, poor frame rate pacing can really be felt in the responsiveness of the controls in more precise games. The switch port of Doom is an example of this, it's not the end of the world and it's certainly still plenty playable (and highly impressive given the hardware it's running on) but once you've tasted the precision and responsiveness of a high end PC, the switch port just feels like treacle by comparison.

Oh and keeping on topic, I don't really think frame rate drops are much of an issue for FFXIV, raids generally run quite well on the PS4 afaik? I assume it's open world fates and such that are the main problem?

[Vstarstruck]

That is a very small minded individual. One of the best raiders in my FC who's cleared O4S as top dps plays on a console, and he loves it compared to PC. With PC, there are a myriad of things that could potentially be runningin the background, taking up RAM and CPU space and power, which can cause lag, framerate drops, or just crash the came and force close it. At the same time, if you have an in depth knowledge of Operating Systems and general computer know how, you can generally optimize your PC to play it perfectly, minus however good your actual connection is.

With consoles, you get a consistent, smooth framerate and overall feeling. This is because consoles often divert all of their processes to just running the game, which often leads to very smooth play proved your internet connection is stable/decent. This is why a lot of people I know switched to console from PC. You also get up to 16 hotbar slots for skills and abilities and whatnot, whereas PC players only get 12 standard. Console players also get that cool lock on feature, which makes positionals feel easier for some people because it's something familiar. All in all, I believe very heavily that what you play the game on isn't as important as how well you play the game. If people prefer PC players because of similar mindset and control style, well, PF exists for a reason. I mean, that whole anti-consumer BS is so dumb it's actually funny, but I'm sorry that those players are missing out on what could potentially be a great addition to their party because of a weak reason like that.

TL;DR: Don't let it bother you, in the end they're just people who can't see the diamond in the rough, and will suffer all the more for it. Console has more buttons though, my jealousy is strong.

Lot of misinformation here, and some is addressed already, ill just comment what was left out.

For PC, the default is 24, ctrl 1 though = , and alt 1 though =. Gamer mouse settings, I think you can have 36 buttons of access without the need of something like page flipping like you need on a controller. Then if you tap in keybind settings, you have almost unlimited amount of buttons you can trigger with one press of a button.

There is no advantage of performance PS4 has over a PC except of ease of access. At the very bottom end of PCs, consoles have a cheaper upfront cost. However with a little of research, in the long run PCs are cheaper and perform better, then a PS4.

Anyways, you are missing the point completely, the person in question of not inviting consoles had nothing to do with how well one performs. Personally I disagree with that kind of "boycott" since the person already has the console and has no impact to what they want to achieve.

Whats wrong with 60 fps o.o

has nothing to do with the fps. I do not know how to explain it but it seems off. The Hudd is too clutterly and the movements just makes me feel ill

They also have privacy options, unlike FFXIV. You might find it surprising how much data Xbox/PS can obscure, even down to people not showing up in your recent players list. 14 doing that without options seemed extremely archaic to me.

You need people show on the recently played so you can BL and report.

[Nedkel]

has nothing to do with the fps. I do not know how to explain it but it seems off. The Hudd is too clutterly and the movements just makes me feel ill

It all boils down to your muscle memory, when i first got my console i wasnt able to do a simple things, now it comes naturally.
Flipping a page on a controller is not a problem, you get a really fast and easy access to 32 buttons on a controller with it or even additional 16 if you want. Imho stretching my finger over a keyboard with ctrl + key or alt + key is the thing that scares me from playing mmorpgs on pc, its just like you are playing yoga with your fingers, bleh.
This particular game has really good controller settings, i dont think anyone playing a console is in disadvantage, if anything he has advantage since he could play for days just lying on the bed. :P

[spagthetapdancer]

It all boils down to your muscle memory, when i first got my console i wasnt able to do a simple things, now it comes naturally.
Flipping a page on a controller is not a problem, you get a really fast and easy access to 32 buttons on a controller with it or even additional 16 if you want. Imho stretching my finger over a keyboard with ctrl + key or alt + key is the thing that scares me from playing mmorpgs on pc, its just like you are playing yoga with your fingers, bleh.

https://www.amazon.com/HV-MS735-1200.../dp/B01DW2VQ5A I use this. it works just fine and has a pretty good set of buttons. I can press all 12 buttons using just my thumb.

[Nedkel]

https://www.amazon.com/HV-MS735-1200.../dp/B01DW2VQ5A I use this. it works just fine and has a pretty good set of buttons. I can press all 12 buttons using just my thumb.

Never been a fan of these kind of mouses, i had one of them, they are large, bulky and i was constantly pressing something i didnt wanted to, because it feelt awkward playing with the thumb on these buttons. Its like you have to move your entire hand to press some buttons if you dont have long enough finger to do so, causing the mouse to fly over the screen somewhere.
It could be really cheap if the mouse is big and you have inappropriate hands. xD

[Squintina]

Never been a fan of these kind of mouses, i had one of them, they are large, bulky and i was constantly pressing something i didnt wanted to, because it feelt awkward playing with the thumb on these buttons. Its like you have to move your entire hand to press some buttons if you dont have long enough finger to do so, causing the mouse to fly over the screen somewhere.
It could be really cheap if the mouse is big and you have inappropriate hands. xD

Could also be the mouse you got.

I have small hands (I have to wear kids' gloves -.-) and so a lot of these bulky mouses don't work well for me either, but then I found one that actually fit me and reaching with a thumb became really easy!

I switched to controller a few months ago after I gave it a try, but not because the mouse was bad (I just tend to hunch too much on mouse and it was making my back ache, but not on controller), but I did play a long time on https://www.amazon.com/M901-Perditio...WYPSPB4DNHK1TW (notice there's less wasted space on the side hence why it's not as bulky as the one linked above)

But that being said, controller play is very comfortable and I don't think I could go back now either! (except targeting)

[spagthetapdancer]

Never been a fan of these kind of mouses, i had one of them, they are large, bulky and i was constantly pressing something i didnt wanted to, because it feelt awkward playing with the thumb on these buttons. Its like you have to move your entire hand to press some buttons if you dont have long enough finger to do so, causing the mouse to fly over the screen somewhere.
It could be really cheap if the mouse is big and you have inappropriate hands. xD

what? no. I just adjust my thumb for the keypad. sometimes I put pressure on different areas of said thumb, using the entire thumb(including the underside of my knuckle and the ridge of meat near the middle of my thumb's fingerprint).
as for size, it's covers the majority of my palm and that's it. my hands aren't particularly large, either. arguably mid-sized.

I get that it's something vaguely similar to a precision tool but if anything I'd call that a point in it's favor since it can do a lot of things.

[Texa]

This particular game has really good controller settings, i dont think anyone playing a console is in disadvantage, if anything he has advantage since he could play for days just lying on the bed. :P

I'm on a PC and play with a console controller because of chronic pain issues and the cross hotbars are easier for me to remember. It makes each skill a certain point on a set shape that's easy to see and that makes it much easier for me to memorize buttons and rearrange them. Whether or not that's easier or better for anyone really just depends on how their brain processes that kind of information.