Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[Vstarstruck]

These types of discussions are funny when you think about it. Its not like people of either opposing opinion are going to change their minds about the subject, yet the pages keep increasing.
You run into lots of people of various skill levels when puging. I don't think I've ever had a person so bad that we couldn't finish a DF roulette outside of 24man raids, in which case it was many people. I sense a lot of exaggeration.

Do you heal in experts a lot and just think 25-35 min runs is acceptable?

[spagthetapdancer]

Do you heal in experts a lot and just think 25-35 min runs is acceptable?

I do pretty often. I haven't had a 25-35minute expert roulette in a while but it wouldn't bother me at all to have it happen.

[Krotoan]

Do you heal in experts a lot and just think 25-35 min runs is acceptable?

.. That's fine actually. Faster is NICE. But 25 mins with no wipes? I'd be OK with that for DF. We're not talking about people being sub-optimal. We're talking about people being so close to non-contributory as to be just above AFK-ing.

[akaneakki]

.. That's fine actually. Faster is NICE. But 25 mins with no wipes? I'd be OK with that for DF. We're not talking about people being sub-optimal. We're talking about people being so close to non-contributory as to be just above AFK-ing.

25 min is pretty slow honestly, aoe is pretty simple to click but most doesn't even do that, which is about doing the basic when there is shitton of trash.

[Krotoan]

25 min is pretty slow honestly, aoe is pretty simple to click but most doesn't even do that, which is about doing the basic when there is shitton of trash.

sure it's slow. But that's the point, it's not HORRIBLE. Horrible is actually failing because you RAN OUT THE TIMER on the dungeon. Or because the healer is going OOM from all the raises they're having to do.. or heals so badly that people keep dying on tiny pulls. Or that the tank is so bad at aggro that things keep turning and killing the party OR the dps is so bad things are passing enrage barriers or hard set limits (like running out of bananas on hullbreaker, which has never happened to me but I'm supposing is a lose conditional situation)

25 minutes runs aren't the subject here.