Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

[SharpT]

Such threads was not uncommon to see in wow or mmo with toxic players, where exists people that want game to be played by their rules. answer is simple as usual don't pug with randoms . find friends that play style suits you and forget randoms. but if players pugs and complains about randoms it's bit weird.
From my opinion if i'm with randoms i can expect everything from afk to trolling, kick, fail in sastasha 20 times etc. if it's goes beyond my limits i will leave party and that's all. it's not a job for me but to have fun.
why i said toxic players because they are playing not to fun have but in always rush, thinks that everyone in random party cares about their dps/heal/tank numbers. they create own rules in random pt and complains when nobody follows. just think for moment - play style and things to achieve in game are different. if you complaint don't pug with randoms and create misery for everyone.

[HyoMinPark]

Such threads was not uncommon to see in wow or mmo with toxic players, where exists people that want game to be played by their rules. answer is simple as usual don't pug with randoms . find friends that play style suits you and forget randoms. but if players pugs and complains about randoms it's bit weird.
From my opinion if i'm with randoms i can expect everything from afk to trolling, kick, fail in sastasha 20 times etc. if it's goes beyond my limits i will leave party and that's all. it's not a job for me but to have fun.
why i said toxic players because they are playing not to fun have but in always rush, thinks that everyone in random party cares about their dps/heal/tank numbers. they create own rules in random pt and complains when nobody follows. just think for moment - play style and things to achieve in game are different. if you complaint don't pug with randoms and create misery for everyone.

Or people could put in just a teeny bit of effort? Mayhaps have some respect for the other people they have been matched with and actually try? Even if it's "just a game". Your argument for people to party up with people that match their playstyle/expectations can apply to everyone--bad players included. What about the "misery" Ice Mages cause random Expert groups? The "misery" a MCH in 330/340 causes for a ShinEx farm when they enjoy talking down and ridiculing a fellow DPS in 320 gear for dying to a healer's mistake, who is pulling double the damage the loudmouth MCH is?

I'm not sorry for kicking a tank in Rabanastre who insists on being MT in i310 gear and refuses to use cooldowns for the tankbusters...and who then complains when the healers can't save them from taking a crap ton of unmitigated damage. (And this is a true story: a PLD who would not use cooldowns for tankbusters, died every time, and outright refused to CD when myself and the other healer in our Alliance asked them repeatedly to. And I mean they actually said "No".) I'm not sorry for kicking a full 340, melded NIN from Rabanastre because he died ten times between the first two bosses alone. I'm not sorry for kicking a tank in a V4S group that can't hold hate on Neo while in Defiance the entire time. I'm not sorry for kicking people that refuse to cooperate and respect other members of the group they are paired with.

Mistakes are acceptable in certain instances. But once you get into endgame, and you start advertising that you know what you're doing, you have better prove it.

[akaneakki]

. find friends that play style suits you and forget randoms. but if players pugs and complains about randoms it's bit weird.
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And here I thought when people started an MMO they agreed to play with other PEOPLE/PLAYERS, yet they act like they don't. Your argument is invalid. I would understand if this was a solo game, but sorry to say it's not.

[Cakekizyy]

And here I thought when people started an MMO they agreed to play with other PEOPLE/PLAYERS, yet they act like they don't. Your argument is invalid. I would understand if this was a solo game, but sorry to say it's not.

Unless you are soloing, you are playing with others.

[akaneakki]

Unless you are soloing, you are playing with others.

[Cakekizyy]

You were commenting on someone saying not to pug. You can play with others and be social and still not pug.

[akaneakki]

You were commenting on someone saying not to pug. You can play with others and be social and still not pug.

Well........... again read what I said. Like, what about trying to play as a team mate in every group you are in pug or not? When I play with strangers or not, I always try my best. Hitting blizzard and thunder then fire every rotation isn't trying bro, it's flat out leeching and unfair. Yeah sure they can have ''fun'' but damn, I bet peoples hobbies are to lose or be bad at it I guess, asuming how many people defend that type of play.

[Oscura]

And here I thought when people started an MMO they agreed to play with other PEOPLE/PLAYERS, yet they act like they don't. Your argument is invalid. I would understand if this was a solo game, but sorry to say it's not.

This is the root of the problem. So many people who disparage DPS meters, judging player performance, or people even reaching a bottom line absolutely love to bloody preach about how they care so much about other people. "Don't criticize other people, they did no wrong for playing the way they did!" "Don't kick people despite them holding the entire party back, you're ruining the fun!" "People should be able to play as they want, without anyone ever telling them otherwise!" "You'll make this game into a job!" Like it isn't a damn job carrying people.

There is no I in team, but they focus so heavily on the individual instead of the party, in a game based around parties. Screw the other 3 or 7 people, your PERSONAL experience matters to them.

Bunch of bloody hypocrites.