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  1. #71
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    Whether they will eventually do it will depend on the sales of the bundled products. I think they have to get to a point where they're comfortable that the bundling is doing them more financial damage than not. I very much doubt they've not thought about this. They are very conservative as a company, though, and probably won't rush into doing it. The idea of a tie-in does make a lot of sense, to me, as certainly at a psychological level you do feel the product has a value-added element to it. Some people clearly disagree, but they're not going to budge on it unless they can be convinced there is a solid financial case that will increase net profit and hopefully not cannibalise their sales of the bundled products too much. Simply stating it might increase net profits is not going to interest them without some data to hand and I think they'll only trial it once they get the go ahead from their business and marketing analysts to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Unfortunately for many people 'feedback' results in the masses simply demanding that be granted access to everything. No solid reasons are usually given beyond variants of the phrase 'Gimme, Gimme!'
    This is actual irony coming from someone who made an entire thread requesting more outfits for male characters on the basis that female characters get more. People who are arguing that those with disposable income get more and how that's unfair and they should be treated equally and given the same opportunity in receiving the emote pretty much falls in the same line of thinking. Those with more money are more privileged and receive more for how much they spend on this game. Those who play female characters are more privileged because they have more unique outfits designed for them more often, based on their decision to play said female characters. Does that mean people with less money should be satisfied from being excluded in getting this emote in some way? Especially those who don't have a choice for their income, and have to deal with the hand they were dealt? No. The same way that people who play male characters should not be satisfied with constantly being excluded in glamour updates and/or new designs, despite the fact they can literally choose to play another gender at any time.

    Just because the reasons aren't good enough for you, or just sound like "gimme gimme," to you, doesn't mean they are. Don't act so condescending.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
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    It's not really irony - there's a definite and proven imbalance between the male and female glamour options in terms of both quality and quantity. I am also more than happy to spend real money to have access to more. The goalposts may be moving, though it isn't my doing.
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    The emote comes with the statue to help sell the statue. It serves as advertising in-game every time someone uses it in the presence of others. It also serves as a means of vanity to the purchaser allowing them to show off with something not everyone will have proving they are a special snowflake after all.

    Selling the emote separately defeats the purpose of the emote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's not really irony - there's a definite and proven imbalance between the male and female glamour options in terms of both quality and quantity. I am also more than happy to spend real money to have access to more.
    You're ignoring my point. The imbalance doesn't matter. Splitting the emotes from the figures and adding more male outfits would ultimately only increase satisfaction on a personal level, it would hardly benefit Square Enix in any way. It's clear because despite the fact there is a female character bias, even though there's a male character majority they've yet to suffer from constantly making that decision. Requesting for more male outfits to be added despite Square Enix clearly not being hurt from the lack of them, aligns with requesting the emotes be split from the figures, despite them not being hurt by the emotes being attached to them.
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  6. #76
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    The developers outright admitted to feeling 'uncomfortable' designing skimpy male attire. That is a large reason as to why there's imbalance in regards to male and female glamour options.

    The Odin/Shiva emotes are specifically designed as an incentive to help sales of the statues that they come with. They're both very different cases. If the Odin/Shiva emotes are suddenly sold on the Mog Station then less people will purchase future statues with a similar deal as they will expect to have access to the emotes in due time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    No solid reasons are usually given beyond variants of the phrase 'Gimme, Gimme!'
    Funny coming from someone who uses "not everything needs to be available to everybody" as an argument when it's just an opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Funny coming from someone who uses "not everything needs to be available to everybody" as an argument when it's just an opinion.
    The only funny thing about all this is that when I actually do get my hands on the Shiva emote I will struggle to see it as ice. Instead, I will struggle not to imagine it as the crystallised tears of those who do not have it themselves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Funny coming from someone who uses "not everything needs to be available to everybody" as an argument when it's just an opinion.
    One shared by the producers of the game, so... he's on stronger footing than you are, at this point lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    The developers outright admitted to feeling 'uncomfortable' designing skimpy male attire. That is a large reason as to why there's imbalance in regards to male and female glamour options.
    Don't make me laugh. Do you really think shareholders or anyone who's actually managing the money around Square Enix cares about that garbage?

    If the people paying you tell you to make something, you make it. If you won't, they'll find someone who will. Especially if they see that not creating these things because of their "uncomfortable"ness is losing them money.

    They developer doesn't have the final say-so, especially in the mogstation. Yoshida has already gone on the record that him and his team have zero involvement with the mogstation aside from creating whatever is put into it when they are told to. People can whine and complain all they want about mogstation outfits, they have to be loud enough to be heard by the people that actually matter, and it's certainly not the development team.

    Regardless, this is drifting off topic from the point about the statues. I've already stated my opinion on it, so I don't feel the need to be a broken record.
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