ARC should not be a Bard

[Coglin]

It's simply retard... it is true that bards in other rpg often are bow 'n arrow users... but you can't deny that in ffxiv archer is just an heavy dps, it doesn't suit any other role. Archer is not a tank, not an off tank, not a mage, not a debuffer, not a buffer. So it simply doesn't make any sense to evolve it in a support class. o.O

Ok, I know it's to late to whine about it now and nothing can be done to change things at this point... but seriously if SE is interested in our feedback these are my 2 cents.

P.S.
Fear and Coglin's logic... my daily heroes *facepalm*

My logic? Are you refering to the logic Ius that makes me wonder wtf your blabbering about? Arc is not a heaver DPS. Have you played LNC or MRD or THM. Archers are not even close to the top of the list as a DD.

And yes they are interested in out feedback. Our feedback out weighs yours 10 to 1.

[Lionheart]

New team, new game. At launch THM was the best healer, now it's CNJ. Don't think just because something is the way it is during an incomplete free period that it won't change drastically by the time the game is pay to play and more complete. They even did a poll when the teams changed asking how players would feel if they drastically changed the gameplay and other elements and most voters (I think I remember reading 89% but I could be wrong it was back in the spring) said that they would approve such a decision. If anyone was of the majority in that poll they shouldn't be complaining about any major gameplay changes being introduced now and in the future but rather embracing them as a new mechanic to try out.

And for the record, ARC wasn't even a strong DD at the beginning of the game. It was only strong just before Darkhold was released until about 1.18. That was a balancing issue from the start. ARC/BRD is still going to be a spike damage job if you take the time to read the new class and job descriptions:



That says to me that they can primarily be a DD, switching to BRD only when MP/HP is running low for fodder mobs. At a boss they can toss on the buffs at start while tank gets hate, do their large amount of spike damage and then reapply buffs while waiting for spike damage ability recast timers. Seems pretty solid to me.

again...
gld->pld
mrd->war
pug->mnk
lnc->rdg
arc->???

what does your brain suggest?
suppose SE still had to make any announcement do you really would think brd is the most natural job evolution?

let's keep going
why does the drastic change only applies to one class?
why isn't pug going to be a pup?
why isn't gld going to be thf?

because it doesn't make any sense just as arc->brd would never ever sound as natural as arc->rng... no matter what. It's so obvious I get blind every time I type it.

You said arc isn't top DD and I agree for it's clear enough. Still look at its abilities... is there something that suggest you it should cover any another role beside DD?

So is archer below other DDs such as mrd, lnc, pug because there are still things to balance but they just want to use this class to force brd introduction? Or was that intentional, to give it only DD/eva/enmity- actions as it should be one hell of DD but they were going to change it to a support job anyway?

Occam razor's principle should help you with this last question

[Lionheart]

My logic? Are you refering to the logic Ius that makes me wonder wtf your blabbering about? Arc is not a heaver DPS. Have you played LNC or MRD or THM. Archers are not even close to the top of the list as a DD.

And yes they are interested in out feedback. Our feedback out weighs yours 10 to 1.

Sorry I wanted to say it was "meant" to be an heavy dps. Have a look at the whole action list and that should be clear.

[Coglin]

Sorry I wanted to say it was "meant" to be an heavy dps. Have a look at the whole action list and that should be clear.

Says who? If it was meant to be heavy damage then it would be, but it is not. You are making assumption, not only that, your makingfalse assumptions.

[sammmmmyyy]

again...
gld->pld
mrd->war
pug->mnk
lnc->rdg
arc->???

what does your brain suggest?
suppose SE still had to make any announcement do you really would think brd is the most natural job evolution?

let's keep going
why does the drastic change only applies to one class?
why isn't pug going to be a pup?
why isn't gld going to be thf?

because it doesn't make any sense just as arc->brd would never ever sound as natural as arc->rng... no matter what. It's so obvious I get blind every time I type it.

You said arc isn't top DD and I agree for it's clear enough. Still look at its abilities... is there something that suggest you it should cover any another role beside DD?

So is archer below other DDs such as mrd, lnc, pug because there are still things to balance but they just want to use this class to force brd introduction? Or was that intentional, to give it only DD/eva/enmity- actions as it should be one hell of DD but they were going to change it to a support job anyway?

Occam razor's principle should help you with this last question

I guess i could see ARC > THF kinda like RobinHood
Give us a dagger in off hand to auto att with , then trickatt/snkatt stackd with some /ra WS would solve some of the gimp dmg they currently doing. Hell maybe treasure hunter would help with the drop rate with Ifrit qq

My whole view of this is not from playing other game some of the ppl here have been pointing too where they seen a brd with a bow, Iam talking that this is Final fantasy only other mmo i played was FFXI , and brd did not use a BOW, and from that view i feel that this change was a kick in the NutZ

[Lionheart]

Says who? If it was meant to be heavy damage then it would be, but it is not. You are making assumption, not only that, your makingfalse assumptions.

assumptions based on facts. Again... look at action list http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/abilitylist.html?class=7
read them all and tell me it's was not meant to be a pure dps class...

they really wanted it to be something else or it's just bad balance? which is more likely?

[Onji_T]

assumptions based on facts. Again... look at action list http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/abilitylist.html?class=7
read them all and tell me it's was not meant to be a pure dps class...

they really wanted it to be something else or it's just bad balance? which is more likely?

If I might refer you to the new abilities listed for 1.2. They are more relevant considering those are what we'll have by the time brd comes into play.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

[Tempestmoon]

I have to agree With everyone else on this one. ARC and Bards do fit. Here is a good example.

Did this Pic come from an AD&D book....? I vaguely remember

[PSxpert2011]

Not to mention Rift as well, and the Everquest line has bow as a staple weapon for bards.

By all means, go play those "Other MMOs" and don't bring conflict of interest to FFXIV. SE does their own thing and if they seem to borrow functions and systems from other games, look down the line of SE products first, from the first Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy to Crono Trigger and Parasite Eve etc. SE doesn't borrow or steal ideas because that would be infringement, duuuh!

I have to agree With everyone else on this one. ARC and Bards do fit. Here is a good example.

An image is an act of imagination,IMO and in your head in should stay.

Archer & Bard combination is old

Bards can cry me a river because like in FFXI, it would make a terrible sub job.

Archers as bards is the best, I approve of the job!

Stop taking crack already. It matters not whether you approve when your high as a lol-Dragoon.

[Arcell]

assumptions based on facts. Again... look at action list http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/abilitylist.html?class=7
read them all and tell me it's was not meant to be a pure dps class...

they really wanted it to be something else or it's just bad balance? which is more likely?

You can't use the old skill list to make any arguments anymore. That was Tanaka's vision for Archer, the old vision. Yoshida's taking this game in a different direction. Honestly from the looks of it Archer won't lose anything when using Bard. In fact some of Bards combos link directly from Archer. So essentially you're Archer + party buffs. Nothing here suggests a loss in damage potential. You still pew pew at far away things.