ARC should not be a Bard

[Lionheart]

My logic? Are you refering to the logic Ius that makes me wonder wtf your blabbering about? Arc is not a heaver DPS. Have you played LNC or MRD or THM. Archers are not even close to the top of the list as a DD.

And yes they are interested in out feedback. Our feedback out weighs yours 10 to 1.

Sorry I wanted to say it was "meant" to be an heavy dps. Have a look at the whole action list and that should be clear.

[Coglin]

Sorry I wanted to say it was "meant" to be an heavy dps. Have a look at the whole action list and that should be clear.

Says who? If it was meant to be heavy damage then it would be, but it is not. You are making assumption, not only that, your makingfalse assumptions.

[Lionheart]

Says who? If it was meant to be heavy damage then it would be, but it is not. You are making assumption, not only that, your makingfalse assumptions.

assumptions based on facts. Again... look at action list http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/abilitylist.html?class=7
read them all and tell me it's was not meant to be a pure dps class...

they really wanted it to be something else or it's just bad balance? which is more likely?

[Onji_T]

assumptions based on facts. Again... look at action list http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/abilitylist.html?class=7
read them all and tell me it's was not meant to be a pure dps class...

they really wanted it to be something else or it's just bad balance? which is more likely?

If I might refer you to the new abilities listed for 1.2. They are more relevant considering those are what we'll have by the time brd comes into play.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

[Arcell]

assumptions based on facts. Again... look at action list http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/abilitylist.html?class=7
read them all and tell me it's was not meant to be a pure dps class...

they really wanted it to be something else or it's just bad balance? which is more likely?

You can't use the old skill list to make any arguments anymore. That was Tanaka's vision for Archer, the old vision. Yoshida's taking this game in a different direction. Honestly from the looks of it Archer won't lose anything when using Bard. In fact some of Bards combos link directly from Archer. So essentially you're Archer + party buffs. Nothing here suggests a loss in damage potential. You still pew pew at far away things.

[Lionheart]

You can't use the old skill list to make any arguments anymore. That was Tanaka's vision for Archer, the old vision. Yoshida's taking this game in a different direction. Honestly from the looks of it Archer won't lose anything when using Bard. In fact some of Bards combos link directly from Archer. So essentially you're Archer + party buffs. Nothing here suggests a loss in damage potential. You still pew pew at far away things.

If I might refer you to the new abilities listed for 1.2. They are more relevant considering those are what we'll have by the time brd comes into play.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

You talking about new abilities but are you sure you read them well?
Even in the new list ARC abilities are dps oriented... <.< enhanced atk damage and ways to lower enmity (since, again, it's meant to be high dps class...)

Of course nothing suggest loss in damage pontential... problem here is it doesnt get any enhancement... so it's halfway dps useless crap + buffer. Surely it will find it's role in party and I even think it could turn out to be OP before further balancing but hey they gave us a job dps oriented (see the old abilities) and after 1 year they say us: "thanks for playing 50 levels of ARC but you're job won't be a full dps anytime soon "

What I mean is: they gave us a dps "old" class (strong or not it was a dps only class), they got people playing it (surely people didnt chose to play arc during this past year because they knew they would become brds), now instead of balancing it they changed it's role and all the people wishing to play a full ranged dps don't have any alternatives, they are simply f-worded XD

If you need to find a reason to justify this choice I can help you with that because you can find how many you want to. But if we are talking about a valid reason to justify it for people who: chose arc because it looked a dps ranged class from day 1, put efforts in it because it's their fav calss in rpg, got it to lvl 50 and now not only the related job is not a dps ranged one but also there's no ranged dps job at all... I challenge you to find one.

They want to give us brd from arc? Fine but at least give an alternative for those players who love full ranged dps role.

[Coglin]

By all means, go play those "Other MMOs" and don't bring conflict of interest to FFXIV. SE does their own thing and if they seem to borrow functions and systems from other games, look down the line of SE products first, from the first Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy to Crono Trigger and Parasite Eve etc. SE doesn't borrow or steal ideas because that would be infringement, duuuh!

I do play those other MMOs, Thanks. Its not a conflict of interest to point out that its fairly standard in the genre for bards to be archers. Its just as or more relavent then all of the games that are not FF games that you mention. You sure are being a hipocrit to say not to mention other MMOs, just to go on and mention several games that are not even in the same genre as FFXIV.

You talking about new abilities but are you sure you read them well?
Even in the new list ARC abilities are dps oriented... <.< enhanced atk damage and ways to lower enmity (since, again, it's meant to be high dps class...)

So what. You just accuratly described THM and LNC as well. That said, you go on to make more assumptions. It has been hinted by the devs that ARC is meant to be a DD but not neccissarily a "High DPS" DD as you claim. Based on the fact that they felt high damage at safer distance = Lack of balance. That is the reason they mentioned having nerfed ARC the last time the did so.

At this point I can list 3+ abilities from the list of new upcomming abilities that would read as if it is meant to make the class a high DPS when looking at each abilities individual description. That doesn't make it wise to assume that will make each a "High DPS" DD class.

[PSxpert2011]

I do play those other MMOs, Thanks. Its not a conflict of interest to point out that its fairly standard in the genre for bards to be archers. Its just as or more relavent then all of the games that are not FF games that you mention. You sure are being a hipocrit to say not to mention other MMOs, just to go on and mention several games that are not even in the same genre as FFXIV.

As long as we play the same game, there's no need to start disputes. Everything is opinion based.

You want to start name calling, you can leave it with your "other MMO forums".

When I mention games produced by SE in appose to the non-related MMOs your basing your argument (with off-topic comparisons not associated with SE or Final Fantasy...) you must be missing the context of my statement over dosing with too much exposure to gamma from your monitor 24/7.

One point I want to make on bard topic, it could work in the back row but it shouldn't be a associated with Archer or ranger etc. Just saying... not any of the two has to do with one another.

[Lionheart]

So what. You just accuratly described THM and LNC as well. That said, you go on to make more assumptions. It has been hinted by the devs that ARC is meant to be a DD but not neccissarily a "High DPS" DD as you claim. Based on the fact that they felt high damage at safer distance = Lack of balance. That is the reason they mentioned having nerfed ARC the last time the did so.

At this point I can list 3+ abilities from the list of new upcomming abilities that would read as if it is meant to make the class a high DPS when looking at each abilities individual description. That doesn't make it wise to assume that will make each a "High DPS" DD class.

Can anyone translate what he just said? o.O

[Vanguard319]

I do play those other MMOs, Thanks. Its not a conflict of interest to point out that its fairly standard in the genre for bards to be archers. Its just as or more relavent then all of the games that are not FF games that you mention. You sure are being a hipocrit to say not to mention other MMOs, just to go on and mention several games that are not even in the same genre as FFXIV.

It's also not unusual for archers to be associated with rangers, which is the job arc should have been in the first place.