Pre-pull regen?

[TaleraRistain]

This has actually come up recently on an FFXIV Facebook group I'm part of. I always understood it that you did not want to pre-pull regen on dungeon big pulls. But I am seeing a lot of opinions that people think it's all right and the tank should adjust with AoEs while pulling.

I don't notice if my tanks have started using their AoEs more or not. I am usually too busy keeping up with them. And then I Tetra/Bene when we stop, drop regen, and usually drop my DoTs before the tank needs a heal.

I'm curious, what's the consensus now? Have things changed from just a year or two ago? Is this a data center thing? For me on Aether, it's been something generally frowned upon, so I was somewhat surprised to see this opinion so widespread on my Facebook group.

[MeridaQ]

Pre pull regen is wrong, I have also seen this more often in dungeons and I typically click it off. Yes the tank can control the mobs if it happens, but if someone regens before the pull be ready to get smacked. Mobs are often spaced too widely to just simply flash/op/unleash them. The tanks have to aggro One and let them converge onto the tank to pick up the rest of the group. If there are regens ticking the mobs will rush the heals instead. I hope the trend stops, but I can’t critique every heal that does it, often I get backlash for suggesting “please don’t regen me pre pull.”

[Caduagm]

Depends. If it's a good tank that's no problem; aka instead of shield swipe, tomahawk and unmend pulling, using flash, overpower and unleash/abyssal drain.
If it's not a good tank then you gotta use swiftcast or hard cast cure before you regen.

[Kurando]

Pre Regen is fine, on the tank ONLY and the healer should run in toe with the tank whilst they are pulling so it's easier for them to maintain the aggro even if the Regen causes a slight distract. Do not Regen and then stand several feet away from the tank because it's extremely annoying to have to double back to get the stragglers while the healer is running around getting popped in the ass by rogue Tonberries...

[lulunami]

Short answer: Do not Regen pre-pull.
Long answer: It depends if you and your tank/party understand how each other plays. Regen pre-pull requires more attentiveness from both the healer and tank. The healer has to stay close to the tank so the tank can Cover/quickly get aggro.

[Shurrikhan]

I generally run into no issues when pre-popping it, so long as all mobs that would be drawn to me have to pass through the tank as well. This saves me a GCD of uptime, and generally allows the tank to arrive with more HP at the completion of gather. Likewise on tank, I ask merely that the healer stay just behind me. (Remember that to be directly behind someone according to the server, you will generally have to appear ahead of them on your screen.)

It's also noticeably more difficult for Warriors to deal with than Paladins or Dark Knights, as conical AoEs are harder to aim against the actual server-side positions of mobs moving towards you than self-centered circular AoEs.

[Quinna]

When I heal I don't do it. It's just really not necessary, if the tank is good enough to handle the mobs that might stray from him, he's probably good enough at his job that he doesn't need the tick of Regen.
I also don't like running the risk of getting smacked in the face by a mob.
When I tank and a healer does it, I just click it off, I don't make a big thing about it because it's not worth the backlash as most players don't like constructive criticism. :/ But that's just me.

[Hestzhyen]

I hate it when people Regen me before a pull, and I don't do it to other people. I can deal with it when it happens and the mobs try to run past me but I'd rather not. Just wait until the tank stops; if he's going to die mid-pull from damage then Regen isn't going to save him anyway.

It's kind of in the same category as pulling ahead of the tank IMO. You want that aggro? You got it, buddy. I'll warn you once or twice but don't expect me to save you the third time.

[Cynfael]

This has actually come up recently on an FFXIV Facebook group I'm part of. I always understood it that you did not want to pre-pull regen on dungeon big pulls. But I am seeing a lot of opinions that people think it's all right and the tank should adjust with AoEs while pulling.

I don't notice if my tanks have started using their AoEs more or not. I am usually too busy keeping up with them. And then I Tetra/Bene when we stop, drop regen, and usually drop my DoTs before the tank needs a heal.

I'm curious, what's the consensus now? Have things changed from just a year or two ago? Is this a data center thing? For me on Aether, it's been something generally frowned upon, so I was somewhat surprised to see this opinion so widespread on my Facebook group.

As MeridaQ says, pre-pull Regen is still a sloppy and unnecessary practice.

Even in situations where mobs are tightly grouped and not a mix of ranged and melee behaviors, I consider it rude to force the tank to compensate for inopportune HoT ticks. If mid-pull healing becomes necessary for some reason, it's simpler and less messy to the toss a single oGCD or a Swiftcast heal.

In short, your Facebook group is probably annoying a lot of random tanks.

[Sebazy]

It really depends on the situation at hand really.

In raids? Absolutely, regen at 5-6 seconds so I'm ready to go full tilt from 3.

On pulls in dungeons? I look at a few factors:

If the tank is a PLD, more often than not I will regen after the first pack has been flashed on the pull, it can add up to a pretty big sum over the course of a long pull and most PLDs don't really have an issue with it. Same goes for DRKs usually. For Warriors I usually avoid regen and save my agro headroom for dotting up on the pull instead. There's also their preference to take into account as well. Some are happy to let me get away with it, some are really not so keen.

In short, if I can get away with it without annoying the tank or making a mess of the pull, I'll regen once the first pack is tagged and my dots are ticking. Getting regen going before the pull comes to a halt gets me an extra holy right off the bat so it's worthwhile if it doesn't cause issues IMHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdU4tRrX984 pretty much demonstrates how I work. (except pretend the regen I cast on myself was meant for the tank, oops!)