Can we please get more cool looking outfits for male characters?

[Clover_Blake]

They don't have problems with sexy guys. They assume people want outfits for males that are quite feminine or very flamboyant by default, and that might be a level where they might said 'We (the artist team) don't think we would enjoy/have fun making them." to the devs, and they went with it. The target audience for such outfits might have been too small to be considered putting something serious together as well here.

But... this is Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy is somehow famous for its very awesome looking male characters. In fact, there are many awesome male armours in this game (including those that show skin), the kind of style that you can't really find in most other MMORPGs. I never had the feeling that males are forgotten in this game, on the contrary! Males get tons of fashionable and daring outfits O_O

I understand the lack of a bunny male counterpart can be frustrating, but to say that devs don't care or don't enjoy designing nice clothes for males is quite an stretch. Or at least this is my opinion as a het female who is tired of Korean games where females get tons of attention and males never get cool outfits. FFXIV is the only game that has my needs well covered in that sense *laughs*.

[Rokke]

They don't have problems with sexy guys.

Except they do?
Girls get short shorts, guys get pants
Girls get undies, guys get pants
Girls get leggings, guys get pants
Girls get coat with cutouts, guys get regular coat (and pants!)
There is so little sex appeal in most male outfits.

I never had the feeling that males are forgotten in this game, on the contrary! Males get tons of fashionable and daring outfits O_O

Yes, I too am impressed by baggy pants #2891! Can't wait for 5.0's AF4s - where ladies get unique skirt/shoes and my character gets even more pants

[Syrehn]

Nice, insulting now since you can't do better?

In the end, it doesn't matter - The devs accepted the whatever reasons they were given by the artists and that's all you will get for the time being.

I could have sworn it was mentioned somewhere that it made them (male artists/dev's) uncomfortable to design/implement "sexy" style outfits for male characters. Don't quote me on that though, I'm trying to find the source. :O

Also, and I know I'm going to get run over by the hate train here, but I don't really want to see overly flamboyant guys running around in bunny costumes and such. It's bad enough with the big male roes and the metallic pig costumes.

[Clover_Blake]

Yes, I too am impressed by baggy pants #2891! Can't wait for 5.0's AF4s - where ladies get unique skirt/shoes and my character gets even more pants

Most of the time, the sets are exactly the same and girls get the same trousers. Most of the long skirts are the same for males too (and I don't think I know any other game where males have such a collection of skirts to wear). We have tons of sets in this game and very few offer real variation from male to female. And it's not like that variation in some sets is even bad, as it's not SE's fault that girls tend to wear more variety than males irl. You can't force the majority of males to wear mini skirts just because a very small minority wants that, and you can't force female characters to never wear mini skirts or very feminine clothing just because a very small minority will complain about the sets being different.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I could have sworn it was mentioned somewhere that it made them (male artists/dev's) uncomfortable to design/implement "sexy" style outfits for male characters. Don't quote me on

that though, I'm trying to find the source. :O

Also, and I know I'm going to get run over by the hate train here, but I don't really want to see overly flamboyant guys running around in bunny costumes and such. It's bad enough with the big male roes and the metallic pig costumes.

I've heard that artist being uncomfortable thing too. Which begs the questions where are the female artists and why does designing "sexy" armor for guys make the male artists uncomfortable... but sticking the guys in dresses 90% of the time doesn't? Male armor options don't need to be sexy per se, they just need to be more masculine and for Hydalen's sake they need to have more options that aren't friggin dresses.

I'm a big fan of RuPaul's Drag Race but that doesn't mean 90% of the armor males get should be suitable to wear on the show. I want to fight bad guys, save the world, and look like a badass while I do it, not work the runway for the judges.

And that whole "artist uncomfortable" line is BS anyways. There ARE good looking male armor options in the game already that aren't pseudo-dresses. The problem is they are very few and far between and half of them are race/class/job locked.

If the artists managed to power through their uncomfortableness to make this:



they can certainly do it again and more frequently and make some of them usable by all classes/jobs/races. I want more stuff like the above for the body slot. Not pseudo-dress/robe/longcoat #267921230

I'm less concerned about flamboyant bunny boys than I am about having badass body slot options that aren't another robe/dress. Sexy on males isn't necessarily about being flamboyant or showing tons of skin.

[Rokke]

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This isn't irl. When I ride the subway I am not likely going to see anyone in a chainmail bikini regardless of gender, and if I did I'd be pretty shocked regardless of what bits they possessed.

I don't need ever skanky female set to have a 1:1 male counterpart, but if "sexy wizard" is the theme and one set is a unique revealing coat and panties while the other is a regular coat and pants that look near interchangeable with dungeon drops, you can kinda tell which set got a liiiiiitle more thought put into it, no?

Also, and I know I'm going to get run over by the hate train here, but I don't really want to see overly flamboyant guys running around in bunny costumes and such. It's bad enough with the big male roes and the metallic pig costumes.

The person with the catgirl butt sig doesn't like scantly clad men. Shocking. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Syrehn]

I don't need ever skanky female set to have a 1:1 male counterpart, but if "sexy wizard" is the theme and one set is a unique revealing coat and panties while the other is a regular coat and pants that look near interchangeable with dungeon drops, you can kinda tell which set got a liiiiiitle more thought put into it, no?

On a side note... as a female character, I'd rather have more pants/shorts options and less "pants turn into mini skirt on females that's so short our hoohaa's hang out". I don't know if that really equates to "more thought" put into the gear vs. a gender stereotype in general. -__-;

The person with the catgirl butt sig doesn't like scantly clad men. Shocking. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't say I didn't like scantily glad men. I said I'd rather not have male characters running around in things like a male version of the bunny costume; that's just my personal preference.

[Tsumdere]

-snip-

We're not asking for females to wear pants... or men to wear skirts... Simply just asking for variation and as much thought put into our gear as women.
Take a look at BRD AF gear. Women get a unique skirt and males get... pants. Take a look at WHM AF gear! Women get a unique skirt and men get... pants. How cool! I also cannot wait for females to get Yotsuyu's kimono while males get the recolored Woad gear! Take a look at dungeon gear. It's all designed for women and clearly copy and pasted onto men because the artists at SE get the gay if they look at a male model too long. Take a look at the Valentione's gear. Females get something completely unique while men get recolored CUL gear. Heck, take a look at the Rabanastre NPCs. The girl gets a unique dress (that is quite lovely I hope we get it sometime) while Ramza wears level 60 gear already in game.
Need I go on?

Also, and I know I'm going to get run over by the hate train here, but I don't really want to see overly flamboyant guys running around in bunny costumes and such. It's bad enough with the big male roes and the metallic pig costumes.

Me neither. I'm a lesbian. I don't wanna see naked men as much as the next dude, but I do want to play dress up with my char just as much as all the cat girls. Besides, it's not your or my place to dictate what other people wear. If setting the precedent for clothing freedom means that eventually I'll get more smart jackets and suits and less dresses copied and pasted from the women, then let it rain naked Roe Bros and thot cat boys.

[Clover_Blake]

I don't need ever skanky female set to have a 1:1 male counterpart, but if "sexy wizard" is the theme and one set is a unique revealing coat and panties while the other is a regular coat and pants that look near interchangeable with dungeon drops, you can kinda tell which set got a liiiiiitle more thought put into it, no?

But that's what I meant, I don't think there's more thought put into one outfit over the other; that you might have a personal preference for one doesn't make the other less good.

Using the Saints Wake wolf attire as an example, some people complained (perhaps it was in this thread) that females got "the better" outfit because they got a mini skirt and high boots, while males got trousers and short boots. But the thing is that both outfits are cool and equally good, and both are adapted to what many males and many females wear. As I said, you can't force every male player to dress his character in a mini skirt with high boots for Saints Wake, because that's not what the vast majority of them wants to wear.

Yet with all this, males still do have many feminine and cute looking gear in this game. Surely it's not as bad as some people are trying to paint it?

[Rokke]

On a side note... as a female character, I'd rather have more pants/shorts options and less "pants turn into mini skirt on females that's so short our hoohaa's hang out". I don't know if that really equates to "more thought" put into the gear vs. a gender stereotype in general. -__-;

I mean "thought" as the effort that went into planning the set. Instead of recoloring/tweaking some existing pants, someone thought up a new skirt/shorts/undies, drew it on a character model, then went about adding it in game. It takes more thought to make a new set then colorswap something old and call it a day.

Yet with all this, males still do have many feminine and cute looking gear in this game. Surely it's not as bad as some people are trying to paint it?

The wolf sets I was fine with, as they were both equally ugly lol

But in all seriousness, as someone with 4 male characters and 4 female characters, I am telling you that male clothes in this game feel incredibly limited regardless if Im going for sexy or simply fashionable. Compared to the average Korean MMO it might feel different (I came form TERA, the later years were painful), but as this isn't a F2P Korean MMO it shouldn't be compared to a F2P Korean MMO. If it was F2P I would totally understand why gals get all the good costumes - they need to make money off ~something~, but everyone here is paying around $15 a month. My male and female characters should both be bedazzled to the stars for that.