Can we please get more cool looking outfits for male characters?

[Arrius]

You honestly think a digital artist isn't replaceable? Either you are naive or delusional.

Nice, insulting now since you can't do better?

In the end, it doesn't matter - The devs accepted the whatever reasons they were given by the artists and that's all you will get for the time being.

[Rokke]

They don't have problems with sexy guys.

Except they do?
Girls get short shorts, guys get pants
Girls get undies, guys get pants
Girls get leggings, guys get pants
Girls get coat with cutouts, guys get regular coat (and pants!)
There is so little sex appeal in most male outfits.

I never had the feeling that males are forgotten in this game, on the contrary! Males get tons of fashionable and daring outfits O_O

Yes, I too am impressed by baggy pants #2891! Can't wait for 5.0's AF4s - where ladies get unique skirt/shoes and my character gets even more pants

[Clover_Blake]

Yes, I too am impressed by baggy pants #2891! Can't wait for 5.0's AF4s - where ladies get unique skirt/shoes and my character gets even more pants

Most of the time, the sets are exactly the same and girls get the same trousers. Most of the long skirts are the same for males too (and I don't think I know any other game where males have such a collection of skirts to wear). We have tons of sets in this game and very few offer real variation from male to female. And it's not like that variation in some sets is even bad, as it's not SE's fault that girls tend to wear more variety than males irl. You can't force the majority of males to wear mini skirts just because a very small minority wants that, and you can't force female characters to never wear mini skirts or very feminine clothing just because a very small minority will complain about the sets being different.

[Rokke]

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This isn't irl. When I ride the subway I am not likely going to see anyone in a chainmail bikini regardless of gender, and if I did I'd be pretty shocked regardless of what bits they possessed.

I don't need ever skanky female set to have a 1:1 male counterpart, but if "sexy wizard" is the theme and one set is a unique revealing coat and panties while the other is a regular coat and pants that look near interchangeable with dungeon drops, you can kinda tell which set got a liiiiiitle more thought put into it, no?

Also, and I know I'm going to get run over by the hate train here, but I don't really want to see overly flamboyant guys running around in bunny costumes and such. It's bad enough with the big male roes and the metallic pig costumes.

The person with the catgirl butt sig doesn't like scantly clad men. Shocking. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Syrehn]

I don't need ever skanky female set to have a 1:1 male counterpart, but if "sexy wizard" is the theme and one set is a unique revealing coat and panties while the other is a regular coat and pants that look near interchangeable with dungeon drops, you can kinda tell which set got a liiiiiitle more thought put into it, no?

On a side note... as a female character, I'd rather have more pants/shorts options and less "pants turn into mini skirt on females that's so short our hoohaa's hang out". I don't know if that really equates to "more thought" put into the gear vs. a gender stereotype in general. -__-;

The person with the catgirl butt sig doesn't like scantly clad men. Shocking. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't say I didn't like scantily glad men. I said I'd rather not have male characters running around in things like a male version of the bunny costume; that's just my personal preference.

[Rokke]

On a side note... as a female character, I'd rather have more pants/shorts options and less "pants turn into mini skirt on females that's so short our hoohaa's hang out". I don't know if that really equates to "more thought" put into the gear vs. a gender stereotype in general. -__-;

I mean "thought" as the effort that went into planning the set. Instead of recoloring/tweaking some existing pants, someone thought up a new skirt/shorts/undies, drew it on a character model, then went about adding it in game. It takes more thought to make a new set then colorswap something old and call it a day.

Yet with all this, males still do have many feminine and cute looking gear in this game. Surely it's not as bad as some people are trying to paint it?

The wolf sets I was fine with, as they were both equally ugly lol

But in all seriousness, as someone with 4 male characters and 4 female characters, I am telling you that male clothes in this game feel incredibly limited regardless if Im going for sexy or simply fashionable. Compared to the average Korean MMO it might feel different (I came form TERA, the later years were painful), but as this isn't a F2P Korean MMO it shouldn't be compared to a F2P Korean MMO. If it was F2P I would totally understand why gals get all the good costumes - they need to make money off ~something~, but everyone here is paying around $15 a month. My male and female characters should both be bedazzled to the stars for that.

[Clover_Blake]

I don't need ever skanky female set to have a 1:1 male counterpart, but if "sexy wizard" is the theme and one set is a unique revealing coat and panties while the other is a regular coat and pants that look near interchangeable with dungeon drops, you can kinda tell which set got a liiiiiitle more thought put into it, no?

But that's what I meant, I don't think there's more thought put into one outfit over the other; that you might have a personal preference for one doesn't make the other less good.

Using the Saints Wake wolf attire as an example, some people complained (perhaps it was in this thread) that females got "the better" outfit because they got a mini skirt and high boots, while males got trousers and short boots. But the thing is that both outfits are cool and equally good, and both are adapted to what many males and many females wear. As I said, you can't force every male player to dress his character in a mini skirt with high boots for Saints Wake, because that's not what the vast majority of them wants to wear.

Yet with all this, males still do have many feminine and cute looking gear in this game. Surely it's not as bad as some people are trying to paint it?

[Hestzhyen]

But that's what I meant, I don't think there's more thought put into one outfit over the other; that you might have a personal preference for one doesn't make the other less good.

Using the Saints Wake wolf attire as an example, some people complained (perhaps it was in this thread) that females got "the better" outfit because they got a mini skirt and high boots, while males got trousers and short boots. But the thing is that both outfits are cool and equally good, and both are adapted to what many males and many females wear. As I said, you can't force every male player to dress his character in a mini skirt with high boots for Saints Wake, because that's not what the vast majority of them wants to wear.

Yet with all this, males still do have many feminine and cute looking gear in this game. Surely it's not as bad as some people are trying to paint it?

It's not about having more feminine gear, really. Like Rokke's been saying, it's equality in what we do get. I made a post a little while back in Lukha's thread about how much of an afterthought designing gear for guys is in this game. Here are the pictures...

Note the character on the far left wearing the maxi dress:

https://imgur.com/pz1vAmL

And this is the same set, for guys:

https://imgur.com/p4MaIGT

That's not equality in the slightest. Girls got a cute brand-new themed maxi dress and guys got a re-coloured crafting set sans pants. If it had been the other way around with guys getting the cool new thing and girls getting some incomplete recolour, do you think you would have been okay with that? Especially if it kept happening over and over again?

I loved XIV back in 2.0 because it wasn't like the pandering Korean MMOs I had tried. There were no gender restrictions on races, everyone wore the same stuff with minor differences, and there were equal quantities of gear for everyone- sexy, cute, cool, bad-ass, whatever gear was in the game existed for everybody and had matching counterparts for both genders. Then after the glamour system was implemented, things slowly began to creep towards what we see today. Over time females got an outfit here, an outfit there with no comparable male equivalent. It's come to the point where if you want quality AND quantity, you should play female characters. That shouldn't be.

It's easy to see for most of the people posting ITT that female gear gets the majority of the design love and attention from SE's devs. Whether or not girls have more variety IRL isn't a factor in this, really- SE just says "look at this cute outfit we made for the girls! Oh. What should we do for the guys?" and the answer is almost always 1) plain pants/shirt 2) don't adapt it at all. Do you know how hard it is to find shorts as a guy? Just shorts, coming above the knee, that can be worn by any job/race. It's way harder than it should be, considering how versatile they are. I feel like if SE really had people on top of this who cared they'd realise that shorts are a thing they can use sometimes. And if there are super feminine tops they can't adapt, guys... can go shirtless! We could use more stuff like the South Seas Talisman that add body paint instead. Edda's frilly gothic dress could have been adapted into a gothic suit for men. Lyse's outfit could remove the strip of cloth covering her boobs and lengthen the shorts. And so on. They just choose not to put the work in to make things equal.

We're not asking for girls to get less stuff or for all guys to be forced to "wear mini skirts and high boots". We're asking for SE to stop being lazy with our designs. If girls are getting a unique outfit that hasn't existed previously, we should too. Or at least equally flip-flop between who gets the special new stuff if resources are too strained to do two new things at once. We're paying customers too.

[Clover_Blake]

We're not asking for girls to get less stuff or for all guys to be forced to "wear mini skirts and high boots". We're asking for SE to stop being lazy with our designs. If girls are getting a unique outfit that hasn't existed previously, we should too. Or at least equally flip-flop between who gets the special new stuff if resources are too strained to do two new things at once. We're paying customers too.

Um, I'm sorry, I just can't share the same view of females getting better things than males in this game, as I'm too in love with tons of the outfits males have (>_<) Believe me, this is a matter that has bothered me greatly in every other game I've played, and I'm the first one to complain. I just don't feel that way in FFXIV; I think that both males and females get very nice things.

The Saints Wake samples you gave are both modified versions of crafter gears. The female one was modified into having a skirt, a detail you can't add to the male one because the majority of males don't want to wear skirts (as I mentioned, it's not SE's fault that male fashion is a bit less versatile than female one when it comes to skirts/trousers). The bottom part is supposed to be chosen by you in both the male and the female case, which makes them the same. For the record, I happen to like the male version of that outfit more than the female one *falls over*.

So I don't know, I really don't get the impression that male designs are being made carelessly or have less thought poured into them. FFXIV males look extremely good to me @_@; (just my opinion, though)

[Tsumdere]

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We're not asking for females to wear pants... or men to wear skirts... Simply just asking for variation and as much thought put into our gear as women.
Take a look at BRD AF gear. Women get a unique skirt and males get... pants. Take a look at WHM AF gear! Women get a unique skirt and men get... pants. How cool! I also cannot wait for females to get Yotsuyu's kimono while males get the recolored Woad gear! Take a look at dungeon gear. It's all designed for women and clearly copy and pasted onto men because the artists at SE get the gay if they look at a male model too long. Take a look at the Valentione's gear. Females get something completely unique while men get recolored CUL gear. Heck, take a look at the Rabanastre NPCs. The girl gets a unique dress (that is quite lovely I hope we get it sometime) while Ramza wears level 60 gear already in game.
Need I go on?

Also, and I know I'm going to get run over by the hate train here, but I don't really want to see overly flamboyant guys running around in bunny costumes and such. It's bad enough with the big male roes and the metallic pig costumes.

Me neither. I'm a lesbian. I don't wanna see naked men as much as the next dude, but I do want to play dress up with my char just as much as all the cat girls. Besides, it's not your or my place to dictate what other people wear. If setting the precedent for clothing freedom means that eventually I'll get more smart jackets and suits and less dresses copied and pasted from the women, then let it rain naked Roe Bros and thot cat boys.