Can we please get more cool looking outfits for male characters?

[Hestzhyen]

But that's what I meant, I don't think there's more thought put into one outfit over the other; that you might have a personal preference for one doesn't make the other less good.

Using the Saints Wake wolf attire as an example, some people complained (perhaps it was in this thread) that females got "the better" outfit because they got a mini skirt and high boots, while males got trousers and short boots. But the thing is that both outfits are cool and equally good, and both are adapted to what many males and many females wear. As I said, you can't force every male player to dress his character in a mini skirt with high boots for Saints Wake, because that's not what the vast majority of them wants to wear.

Yet with all this, males still do have many feminine and cute looking gear in this game. Surely it's not as bad as some people are trying to paint it?

It's not about having more feminine gear, really. Like Rokke's been saying, it's equality in what we do get. I made a post a little while back in Lukha's thread about how much of an afterthought designing gear for guys is in this game. Here are the pictures...

Note the character on the far left wearing the maxi dress:

https://imgur.com/pz1vAmL

And this is the same set, for guys:

https://imgur.com/p4MaIGT

That's not equality in the slightest. Girls got a cute brand-new themed maxi dress and guys got a re-coloured crafting set sans pants. If it had been the other way around with guys getting the cool new thing and girls getting some incomplete recolour, do you think you would have been okay with that? Especially if it kept happening over and over again?

I loved XIV back in 2.0 because it wasn't like the pandering Korean MMOs I had tried. There were no gender restrictions on races, everyone wore the same stuff with minor differences, and there were equal quantities of gear for everyone- sexy, cute, cool, bad-ass, whatever gear was in the game existed for everybody and had matching counterparts for both genders. Then after the glamour system was implemented, things slowly began to creep towards what we see today. Over time females got an outfit here, an outfit there with no comparable male equivalent. It's come to the point where if you want quality AND quantity, you should play female characters. That shouldn't be.

It's easy to see for most of the people posting ITT that female gear gets the majority of the design love and attention from SE's devs. Whether or not girls have more variety IRL isn't a factor in this, really- SE just says "look at this cute outfit we made for the girls! Oh. What should we do for the guys?" and the answer is almost always 1) plain pants/shirt 2) don't adapt it at all. Do you know how hard it is to find shorts as a guy? Just shorts, coming above the knee, that can be worn by any job/race. It's way harder than it should be, considering how versatile they are. I feel like if SE really had people on top of this who cared they'd realise that shorts are a thing they can use sometimes. And if there are super feminine tops they can't adapt, guys... can go shirtless! We could use more stuff like the South Seas Talisman that add body paint instead. Edda's frilly gothic dress could have been adapted into a gothic suit for men. Lyse's outfit could remove the strip of cloth covering her boobs and lengthen the shorts. And so on. They just choose not to put the work in to make things equal.

We're not asking for girls to get less stuff or for all guys to be forced to "wear mini skirts and high boots". We're asking for SE to stop being lazy with our designs. If girls are getting a unique outfit that hasn't existed previously, we should too. Or at least equally flip-flop between who gets the special new stuff if resources are too strained to do two new things at once. We're paying customers too.

[Magic-Mal]

Male characters never have gear that looks good in them and females always have gear that looks good on them. And that's because all gear is made on female models first then copy/pasted or slightly changed to fit male. These kinds of items include 90% of Magic gear and some DoW gear. Meaning that men, especially magic-users, don't even have gear for men to wear. Only unisex. That's why everything looks so feminine on males meaning no options for males.

The only gear that looks good on males is gear that is genderlocked to male... sadly. Because that gear is made to be just for men(like the various suits). Sad fact is though that the devs aren't making genderlocked gear for males anymore FOR FREE in-game. Yet females have sets upon sets of female-locked gear. Most of what all female characters wear is female locked gear it feels like and that's not a coincidence. Female-locked gear is made for just female. And even the unisex gear is initially made for female.. Problem is, males don't get that same treatment ever.

There are a few cases of gear pieces that are made specifically for male bodies but are made unisex. And I mean straight up for men but still able to be worn as female(Males don't have that same luxury)


Noct Lurica


Jacket of the Falling Dragon


Warrior's Cuirass


Females can wear both of those with zero alterations to the look. So it's ridiculous that males can't do it with female gear.

[Clover_Blake]

We're not asking for girls to get less stuff or for all guys to be forced to "wear mini skirts and high boots". We're asking for SE to stop being lazy with our designs. If girls are getting a unique outfit that hasn't existed previously, we should too. Or at least equally flip-flop between who gets the special new stuff if resources are too strained to do two new things at once. We're paying customers too.

Um, I'm sorry, I just can't share the same view of females getting better things than males in this game, as I'm too in love with tons of the outfits males have (>_<) Believe me, this is a matter that has bothered me greatly in every other game I've played, and I'm the first one to complain. I just don't feel that way in FFXIV; I think that both males and females get very nice things.

The Saints Wake samples you gave are both modified versions of crafter gears. The female one was modified into having a skirt, a detail you can't add to the male one because the majority of males don't want to wear skirts (as I mentioned, it's not SE's fault that male fashion is a bit less versatile than female one when it comes to skirts/trousers). The bottom part is supposed to be chosen by you in both the male and the female case, which makes them the same. For the record, I happen to like the male version of that outfit more than the female one *falls over*.

So I don't know, I really don't get the impression that male designs are being made carelessly or have less thought poured into them. FFXIV males look extremely good to me @_@; (just my opinion, though)

[Hestzhyen]

I really don't get the impression that male designs are being made carelessly or have less thought poured into them. FFXIV males look extremely good to me @_@; (just my opinion, though)

If you play a male character you'll understand pretty quickly how it is. We have good options. But we don't have as many as females (you guys really do have sheer quantity on us), or in as many possible varieties as we could and it's been a few years since the glamour system was introduced. It's definitely not as bad as a Korean MMO, but considering that this is a sub-based game, there's no real excuse for the disparity in my mind. I hold XIV to higher standards than games that rely on fetishizing female player characters and pandering to horny teens to stay afloat.

[Lukha]

I really don't get the impression that male designs are being made carelessly or have less thought poured into them. FFXIV males look extremely good to me @_@; (just my opinion, though)

Okay, so you might like the male version of the All Saint's Wake suit better, but you can't seriously argue that it didn't have less thought put into it than the female one. In that case, the male top is a complete 1:1 recolor of an item that already existed in the game at that time, with a decoration on the bowtie. The female version is a new model which, while similar to a preexisting item, has a unique touch (the skirt) which no other version of that model has. It's not equivalent at all; the appropriate male equivalent would have been to make it, say, a tailcoat rather than a short jacket, maybe with tails shaped like bat wings to give it that Halloween flare. Do that, and the lack of matching pants goes from rage-inducing to hilarious, because we still got a unique piece in the deal. (Though we could still use a dyable pair of short-shorts for guys, since the matching boots look a little odd with anything else...)

It's not a matter of liking or not liking, it's a matter of the male version objectively having less effort put into it, and by less we mean absolutely none.

[Rokke]

It's not a matter of liking or not liking, it's a matter of the male version objectively having less effort put into it, and by less we mean absolutely none.

These topics always lead to tangents, but ultimately this is my beef.

I play male and female characters- when I flip between the two regularly, the wardrobes become hilariously disproportionate. I just want all my virtual barbies to have nice clothes.

[dinnertime]

I've heard that artist being uncomfortable thing too. Which begs the questions where are the female artists

I did some quick research on the artists working on FFXIV. There's a very good number of females working on the art of the game, about 1/3 of the team. The most notable ones are Ayumi Namae and Chieko Tomioka.

Ayumi is actually one of the two leading character concept artists with Hiroyuki Nagamine and she designs (or probably just illustrates them into a finished concept) most of the gear in the game.
Chieko isn't in the SB credits though so she probably left.

I remember the whole "male artists being uncomfortable" thing was specifically for the male bunny suit so they made females work on it instead.

[Iscah]

Male characters never have gear that looks good in them and females always have gear that looks good on them. And that's because all gear is made on female models first then copy/pasted or slightly changed to fit male.

Is that a known fact or are you guessing? I don't know, but I feel like some costumes were designed with the male version in mind then modified to the female version by replacing pants with short skirts. Eg. the Hall of the Novice DPS gear, where the colour scheme looks better on the male version with the black pants, and a bit odd on the female version with bare legs. Also items like the white mage's "culottes", where males do indeed get culottes and females get a frill of fabric that isn't even long enough to be called a miniskirt. And if you look at the icons for clothing pieces, they seem to show the male versions.

The Saints Wake samples you gave are both modified versions of crafter gears. [...] For the record, I happen to like the male version of that outfit more than the female one *falls over*.

By "Saints Wake" are you actually meaning the Valentione's costume picture above, and are you meaning they're based on the crafter's coatee? I don't think they are, other than the similar sleeves on the girl's version. The female coatee is very revealing on the chest, and that dress isn't at all.

But yes, I quite like the male coatee set, and would never wear the female one. Looks far too close to a wardrobe malfunction, especially for working in!

[Magic-Mal]

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Many reasons:

-When gear is datamined, the files are always shown with a female's body model(you know like that T formation with the arms?)
-Yoshida admitted in an interview, maybe multiple that many pieces were made specifically for women. Lv60 AF2 set, Lv50 AF1 and AF2 WHM sets for example. All gear is shown with the male icon except for female locked gear btw. Because male is seen as "Neutral"?
-Dataminers said that when Aymeric's set was revealed that they found the set on a female's model.. Suggesting that Aymeric's gear could've been worn by female but was never released(This one I *think* I remember seeing)
-Just look at the gear lol!

The Saints Wake samples you gave are both modified versions of crafter gears. The female one was modified into having a skirt, a detail you can't add to the male one because the majority of males don't want to wear skirts (as I mentioned, it's not SE's fault that male fashion is a bit less versatile than female one when it comes to skirts/trousers).

Are you suggesting that since the guys focus on fashion less that that excuses SE from having to give them some unique things? How is that fair? O.o

I don't think it works that way... Or else this 28 page thread asking for more fashion for guys wouldn't exist.

[Theodric]

It's not just glamour, either. A lot of people have been asking for more facial hair options over the years as well. Hien's outfit is an excellent opportunity to design a new facial hair option based on his own and make it part of the outfit package for male characters.

Yet it is unlikely to happen. So male characters simply have to stand around and see development time spent on 'unisex' hairstyles instead - many of which are clearly designed with a female model in mind. Do some male characters make use of them? Sure, but it's typically only those that are designed to be very feminine/androgynous in the first place.

Which leads to those of us wanting more masculine options left standing around awkwardly...

So it's a matter of more variety across the board, really.

As for the infamous Halloween 'set', they did an excellent job with the Songbird Attire and created two awesome sets, one for male characters and another for female characters. That should be the standard when it comes to event gear as far as I'm concerned. They did not need to add a skirt to make the Halloween set in question look good. Yet releasing it without trousers was a questionable move as far as I'm concerned.