Could we get a change to Hyoton (PvE)?

[wereotter]

Mug is still pretty useful as it both is an OGCD damage dealer and was reworked in Stormblood to dramatically increase your Ninki gauge.

I think the solution to Hyoton is to make it a viable part of Ten-Chi-Jin. It's unfortunate that our highest DPS for that skill is identical regardless of if we're hitting a single target or multiple targets. Maybe give it a potency increase in combo with fuma? Something you'd never get without Ten-Chi-Jin but would give us the option of using it for higher single target damage.

[KasaiTaiyome]

This ability looks to me in the same boat as Mug, BLM Sleep or WHM Repose. [...]

Mug is still pretty useful as it both is an OGCD damage dealer and was reworked in Stormblood to dramatically increase your Ninki gauge. [...]

Now there's a thought: How about instead of adding a Debuff, Hyoton does something for the Ninki skills? It could add a small amount to the Ninki gauge - not more than 10 because with a maximum of 20 seconds its cooldown is much shorter than mug. It could also slightly reduce the cooldown of one of the other two Ninki abilities instead, somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds maybe?

[RenOkamiya]

Now there's a thought: How about instead of adding a Debuff, Hyoton does something for the Ninki skills? It could add a small amount to the Ninki gauge - not more than 10 because with a maximum of 20 seconds its cooldown is much shorter than mug. It could also slightly reduce the cooldown of one of the other two Ninki abilities instead, somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds maybe?

The problem here is that if you rework Hyoton to have a impact on the Ninki, it would become mandatory over every other Ninjutsu besides Suiton because it's party wide buff. Like you said 10 Ninki every 20 sec is way better than mug and would be overpower. As for reducing the cooldown, the "order" is pretty clear now, and feels "fluid" enough, if you start to mess with the cd's that going to be a pain in the ass ^^

[KasaiTaiyome]

Yes, that is very true. Also that would mean, that Hyoton stays useless until level 62, when you first get the Ninki gauge or even level 68 when you first get an ability with a cooldown to reduce. So it wouldn't just throw the job out of balance, it would also stay uselsess most of the leveling process. I didn't think that through. Anyway there is no telling whether the developers actually read these forums or take inspiration from the suggestions. Or am I mistaken here?

[Kabooa]

Now there's a thought: How about instead of adding a Debuff, Hyoton does something for the Ninki skills? It could add a small amount to the Ninki gauge - not more than 10 because with a maximum of 20 seconds its cooldown is much shorter than mug. It could also slightly reduce the cooldown of one of the other two Ninki abilities instead, somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds maybe?

I gave you two examples.