House Payments

[Jellybums]

No gil payments, probably poetics or some other currency or credit that can't be purchased with real money since people wanna tie home ownership to owner activity. And anyone with access to the property can pay it in full or contribute a portion for the week or month, whenever it's due. This shouldn't be much to ask of active players. Owning a house is such a privilege in this game there should be some kind of commitment tied to keeping one. Call it tax or whatever.

[Alleo]

No gil payments, probably poetics or some other currency or credit that can't be purchased with real money since people wanna tie home ownership to owner activity. And anyone with access to the property can pay it in full or contribute a portion for the week or month, whenever it's due. This shouldn't be much to ask of active players. Owning a house is such a privilege in this game there should be some kind of commitment tied to keeping one. Call it tax or whatever.

And that privilege was already paid when we bought it..hey its a privilege to do the hardest content in the game so please everyone lets pay a tax to get into that content...hey you want to pvp? Lets pay a tax to do that since its a niche content anyway.

What do people want to achieve with a tax? Punish those of us that somehow got lucky to get a house? How its our fault that SE decided to use such a content? Why should people be forced to do certain content just to keep their virtual house that they already worked their ass of to pay it? Just because we have some really rich people in this game does not mean that everyone owns so much gil and making it a "other currency only" would even be worse. Not everyone has poetics on mass. Not everyone even has the time to constantly run content to gain it..why are those not allowed to own a house? Maybe they will have weeks where they simply cant play? Poetics has a cap so you cant even grind for this in advance. And its not on us to say how people should play the game. No this is just a horrible idea and only there to punish people...and as soon as those that wanted it have a house on their own and suddenly cant pay for that "tax" they will come back and complain too...

This is a game, not the real world..if people see houses as status symbols and something to brag about, well they can but for a lot of people its probably just something they enjoy out of this game..and you want to decrease that enjoyment with such a punishment. Lets stop trying to make the community pay for the mistake of SE...

[Solarra]

What do people want to achieve with a tax? Punish those of us that somehow got lucky to get a house?

The more I read, the more it sounds like it. I guess some people would rather spread the misery than try to fix a broken system.

Just No. No payments in any in-game currency full-stop.
Unless you are also going to agree to lose your relics, raid gear etc. if you don't log in and equip it every month, use it in relevant content and pay tax on top. Oh and lets apply that to mounts and minions too, while we're at it.
I mean it's not as if we are paying a sub to cover all that, is it? /sarcasm

Alleo is right, this is a horrible idea.
The main beneficiaries wouldn't be the people who need houses. but the sort of folk who'd get a spiteful little thrill every time they heard about somebody who lost a house they cared about.
The solution isn't taxation or making housing harder to retain, it's more houses.

[Dzian]

You haven't listed any pros, .

Although I don't agree with the gil system. I once suggested houses be leased using something similar to ventures that could be bought with gc seals /fc points and traded in as a form of rent on plots instead if the auto demolishion timer we have now. 1 venture per day or something. basically a single dungeon drop would pay a weeks lease.

One big pro of such a system is it would actually allow players to take breaks from the game. which is something Yoshi says it's perfectly ok for players to do.

Under a rental / lease system of this kind players could simply turn in a load of ventures and secure there plot for the next 3-6 months and genuinely allow them to take a break. Knowing there house will be there when they came back. If they decide to quit or didn't come back to renew the lease / rent then the plot would still be relinquished and made available to someone else.

Put a maximum on it to prevent players turning in like 10 years of a lease at once maybe cap it at 180 days.

Yes this system goes against Yoshi's promise that housing wouldn't be tied to subscriptions or rental fees or such.
But to be honest the auto demo timer already breaks that promise. As if you unsub and take a break which again Yoshi said it's perfectly ok to do thenyou can say good bye to your house when you come back.

I'd happily pay a lease system on my house if it meant I had the freedom to take a break if I needed / wanted and not worry about losing my plot.

Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

again if you don't continue your sub your house goes bye bye.. at least a lease / rental system would allow players to take those breaks that Yoshi says it's ok for them to do and shouldn't be punished for.

[Lelila38]

Although I don't agree with the gil system. I once suggested houses be leased using something similar to ventures that could be bought with gc seals /fc points and traded in as a form of rent on plots instead if the auto demolishion timer we have now.

One pro of such a system is it would allow players to take breaks from the game. which is something yoshi says it's ok for players to do.

Under a rental system of this kind players could simply turn in a load of ventures and secure there plot for the next 3-6 months and allow them to take a break. Knowing there house will be there when they came back. If theu didn't come back to renew the lease rent.the plot would still be relinquished.

Put a maximum on it to prevent players turning in like 10 years of a lease at once maybe cap it at 180 days.

Yes this system goes against yoshi promise that housing wouldn't be tied to subscriptions or rental fees or such. But to be honest the auto demo timer already breaks that promise. As if you unsub and take a break which again yoshi said it's ok to do. you can say good bye to your house

That, pretty much. I have been an active player since launch, never let my sub lapse, and not because of any house. So I'm not asking for this for personal gain. But the house demolition after not entering it for some time is a terrible idea. Basically any other system would be better than that. Players are being held hostage as soon as they own a house. If you're out of country for a while, don't have access to internet for whatever reason, or are tight on money you can basically say goodbye to your house.
If that "rent" was a currency you can easily get your hands on, just by actively playing a few days a month and can pay in advance, not infinitely, but maybe capped at 3-6 months, people would be able to take breaks, without being forced to keep paying for a game they don't play. And it wouldn't affect active players as much, it just needs to be easily obtainable, just by playing. It might even be a blow to rmt, if that currency isn't obtainable with gil.

[Alien_Gamer]

as a form of rent on plots instead if the auto demolishion timer we have now.

There's no way that will end well.

SE implemented the demo timer as a way to free up a limited resource for players from those that aren't playing anymore, the only thing this would do is extend the demo timer to 7.5 months instead of 1.5. The people who were against the timer would complain about not only the further ineffectiveness of the system, but also that they now have to pay currency AGAIN to keep their house. The people who like the timer would complain that now they have to wait 6 times longer to have a chance at a house. SE would also lose on the potential subscription time which directly affects their profits.

But you're right, the ones who benefit are the ones who don't want to play the game for the next few months...


Lets try this from a different perspective.

I propose everyone who has a primal mount must pay 10 verity per mount every week or they lose the mount until they can buy it again for 99 tokens. This is fair because everyone who has those mounts makes endless amounts of tomes and can easily afford it. It also creates an incentive for them to not go after mounts they don't want and makes it easier for me to get them because i'll have fewer people to compete against. People that aren't using those mounts every day should just get rid of them if they don't want to pay, after all if they aren't using them then they won't miss it right? But we'll be nice and let them pay in advance so they can keep their mounts if they decide to not play the game for a while. That way they won't be hindered if they want to take a break.

Or how about lets charge a rent on glamors. You must pay a 10 HQ Steppe Serge each week per item you have glamed to keep your glamor. If you don't pay it then your item returns to its original appearance...

Or lets charge a rent on gear drops from savage, payable once per month with Ex token drops. Easily affordable if you do savage on a regular basis and if you don't then you don't need that gear anyway...

[Mithia]

lol, rent, tax, at most its a nuisance.

How about we also add a fee for maintaining a linkshell, or keeping an FC open, because hey I like that FC name, I want it for myself, lets have them pay a fee for in the hope they can't keep affording the gil so I can take it for myself, thats only fair right?

[Claviusnex]

The main beneficiaries wouldn't be the people who need houses. but the sort of folk who'd get a spiteful little thrill every time they heard about somebody who lost a house they cared about.
The solution isn't taxation or making housing harder to retain, it's more houses.

I'd also bet those same folks would end up with a house and no sooner than having done that start complaining about have to pay rent to keep it. I still don't get all this misdirected angst at other players instead of SE who are the ones that created this problem and are the only ones who can fix it.

[Siniztor]

There's no way that will end well.

SE implemented the demo timer as a way to free up a limited resource for players from those that aren't playing anymore, .

This..This is why if you sub lapses for 60 days you should lose your house. If im paying my sub who cares if i go inside maybe i just wanna garden..As long as you pay your sub you should never be forced to enter or lose...Make it so if you sub runs out for a full 30 days-45 days-60 days you lose your house

[AriesMouse]

I propose everyone who has a primal mount must pay 10 verity per mount every week or they lose the mount until they can buy it again for 99 tokens...

Biggest problem with this argument is that mounts are not a finite resource. Houses are, and until they are not, there should be some thought put into making a system that works in favor of active players keeping houses, and inactive players no longer hoarding them. The Auto Demo system is too easy to work around, since you can just log in once a month, run inside your house, and then never step into the game again until you get another e-mail reminder that your house is going to demo. I feel like, after 3 e-mails, SE should stop reminding someone that their house is up for auto-demo. If they have to be reminded that much, they clearly don't care that much about their house.