While the Glamour Revision is welcomed - I feel like its missing the mark

[Sandpark]

And in addition to the actual issues people are seeing with this, it’s going to be called a commode? Maybe just me/where I live, but I actually had to google to see that that word had any other definitions besides toilet.... that’s the only way I’ve ever heard it used. I think a different translation would be better, but really no biggie either way.

The word makes sense to me. You get the shites(gear), you put in the commode(log) unless you do it outside(how glamour works now). You put too much shites, the commode gets clogged and no more shites can go in. Maybe we can get more commodes for people who shite alot?

[Mimilu]

During the streaming there was quiet a few viewers, including JP players, who said that 200 items and 10 outfits was very little (especially the 10 outfit limit).
Yoshi-P said to give the server dev team a break and that once the demand tops up and the time is right, they might consider adding more.

[Nihility]

I'm still at a point where i'll need to actually use it to understand it
As it is now, with what jobs share gear you basically have 9 glamours going at a time assuming you have at least 1 job for each gear type leveled

If it's basically an armoire type situation and by 'destroy' it means it destroys the corresponding glamour token for use when the gear is taken out of it... I would be all for it
but if it destroys the gear itself, especially mog station or seasonal gear that is a problem

and if it's like you get to create 10 tokens you get to assign to jobs individually or pick a bubble on character sheet like helm or visor. I'm all for that as well
technically it would give you more freedom. I have every job leveled but i would assume most people are like me and only actively use a few at a time
If i could set independent glamours for black mage and red mage as an example i would be pretty happy

I want to be optimistic and see this as "extra 200 slots of gear storage for free + glamour not linked to individual gear pieces" which is a big step and i personally don't mind limitations.
People just wanting infinite everything seems irrational to me

[Vstarstruck]

You don't understand the limitation of resources then.

You are right, we do not understand what limitations they have, but if they are so limited, they should not be putting so many items in the game then. There is a lot of items that are pretty much repetitive and can be removed since the existence is more of a "luxury" then a need in the name of being semi realistic with crafting materials. In case you did not know, REAL glam logs act like a checklist basically. You have a book/photo album of all the items in the game, and the ones you find you unlock to use as a glam. This system they are trying to impose is not very good because it is basically acting as an item storage more then just a checklist, so this burdens servers more then a real glam log would give us. This is not what people asked for for a glam log and it seems it is more of a quick fix with little hope of working well in the future.

200 items is not a lot, here is what a real glam log looks like:

https://gyazo.com/04f88bba26a67b482e159dc58e744e33
409 head items

https://gyazo.com/9e56ad624a42bd0c4a55383949eef0ce
372 shoulder items

https://gyazo.com/d7b5ada6ac67e98f2099f1a6fc5f660b
797 capes

https://gyazo.com/b788f56df1ffee32a39505843359b5d8
473 chest

https://gyazo.com/e4b1de90593bda1ae9969418b5da45b5
95 shirts

https://gyazo.com/7a527e26c13b0fda67548cd7951ba3da
79 taberds

https://gyazo.com/32b5a19705be4756863e15b986d49c38
372 wrists

https://gyazo.com/192c5d41ce841f9748db122304b2345d
411 hands

https://gyazo.com/f9ebbb7e56772180862add4598b3c673
388 belts

https://gyazo.com/85eafa0b9bd9a477962d0f4456ac9872
428 legs

https://gyazo.com/4f5442cc3409698bb8c99ec4682014ad
426 shoes

https://i.gyazo.com/6513c7a8751ed341...769f4907e5.png
505 dagger

https://gyazo.com/4f2e66c15fec5e6143bf4d2f1656b789
300 axe

https://gyazo.com/7c2193808c734782ce5c25b68d64b999
453 mace...
(hope the idea is understood by now, there is more weapon types)

This is a rushed idea and should not spend more time on it, we want a real fix, I am tried of settling because "better then nothing" This system they proposed is going to have problems in the future in later expansions because it will lack room very quickly. 200 items is not a lot and they keep throwing new gear at us like it is water. We pay double our sub for not enough space, some pay 150 dollars for an emote, we deserve more then this proposed system.

I really want to venture a guess a basic checklist (you have xyz items to use as glam) is much less data intensive for servers to handle then someone lugging around 200 items in a secondary storage. Why does SE seem to want to make simple things so complex? It is mind boggling. A glam long = checklist, that is it, we do not need to run around with a 200 item secondary storage.

Or maybe the devs don't understand what we mean by glam log? translation issues? i doono.

[Gunspec]

Consider the Crafter and Gatherer logs, for instance. Every piece of craftable gear is displayed, immediately upon request, by these logs, anywhere in the game - along with check-marks indicating which items you have crafted and gathered before. That is, in essence, the same functionality required for the Glamour log.

This is what I've been saying forever. We already have a system with tons of gear and a y/n variable switch associated with it. I'm apparently carrying that data around every time I load into an instance, and it isn't a problem? Until they explain how that is different from what we are requesting, I'm of the opinion that the dev team is being far to narrow minded in how they would implement a glamour log.

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

Rome wasn't built in a day, people. It's progress, and we should be grateful for it.

[magnanimousCynic]

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You're forgetting that you can't dye your gear in WoW. A lot of items are just recolors.

[Vstarstruck]

You're forgetting that you can't dye your gear in WoW. A lot of items are just recolors.

How is dyes supposed to work with the new system anyway?

Rome wasn't built in a day, people. It's progress, and we should be grateful for it.

Not asking for Rome to be built in a day, im asking for a better foundation. Right now we are building a large skyscraper on top of sand.

You can't build a great building on a weak foundation. You must have a solid foundation if you're going to have a strong superstructure.

With all the complaints they seem to have with server capacity, I do not think this is a fitting system, surely a checklist is less data intensive? I guess for a dye system to handle such a thing, you have to remove physical dye items and just be selectable and saved as premade sets. (basically dyeing whatever you want without an item)

[illgot]

SWTOR, LoTRO, WoW, GW2, those are the ones I can name off the top of my head that have a great outfit system.

WTF are the developers smoking to ignore all that and create such a limited convoluted system that was described.

[Tigerlilley]

Not asking for Rome to be built in a day, im asking for a better foundation. Right now we are building a large skyscraper on top of sand.

You can't build a great building on a weak foundation. You must have a solid foundation if you're going to have a strong superstructure.

With all the complaints they seem to have with server capacity, I do not think this is a fitting system, surely a checklist is less data intensive? I guess for a dye system to handle such a thing, you have to remove physical dye items and just be selectable and saved as premade sets. (basically dyeing whatever you want without an item)

This is exactly the worry I have. This system does not look to be starting in the right direction, it just looks far more cumbersome and over complicated. All anyone wanted was a glamour log.... not this weird system of saved favorites.

Even if the first few steps into overhauling the glamour situation were smaller, they need to start on the right step. I worry this is not the case.