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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising View Post
    In general I try not to get bogged down in comparing universal abilities between all the tanks, details are important, but equally important is the focus of information. When comparing what classes bring to the table in a raid it is unnecessary and distracting to compare exactly the same thing on all classes to each other. I also left tank LB out of the equation, because all tanks have it, and it is usually only used if the raid will wipe without it.

    Example: Paladin is the only tank that can take the damage for another tank for a short duration by using cover. This isn't true, but discussion provoking pre-tank buster and shirking back to the intended tank once the damage is dealt is a universal of the class that is expected given raid mechanics. Laboring this common and universal mechanic only serves to distract from the issue one is trying to highlight.

    Something about forests and trees.
    The argument is technically "frequency of being able to do so".
    Back in HW, you could only provoek so many times, so swapping, and then back again, too soon, can lead to problems/wipes.

    Cover allowed you to essentially "provoke/shirk" an additional time, while they are on CD.
    So PLD has an extra one. Though you can say we have ultimatum, and shirk on top of voke, which now makes it unnecessarily to use cover, but of course cover doesnt take up a role slot, which non PLDs cant afford to lose, while PLD is able to give up some role slots... which is where id argue the imbalance is. (and one I wouldnt care about, if some of the other tanks had features unique to them equally)

    In the same argument, DRK has raid utility from reprisal, and therefor there's no reason to argue for DRK having raid utility.

    So on, and so forth.

    The issue is that reprisal is on CD equally with all 3 tanks, and 2 of them, can still help with raid wide dmg, while DRK cant. (Otherwise SE wouldnt have given WAR the new shake it off, since they could equip reprisal)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    The argument is technically "frequency of being able to do so".
    Back in HW, you could only provoek so many times, so swapping, and then back again, too soon, can lead to problems/wipes.

    Cover allowed you to essentially "provoke/shirk" an additional time, while they are on CD.
    So PLD has an extra one. Though you can say we have ultimatum, and shirk on top of voke, which now makes it unnecessarily to use cover, but of course cover doesnt take up a role slot, which non PLDs cant afford to lose, while PLD is able to give up some role slots... which is where id argue the imbalance is. (and one I wouldnt care about, if some of the other tanks had features unique to them equally)

    In the same argument, DRK has raid utility from reprisal, and therefor there's no reason to argue for DRK having raid utility.

    So on, and so forth.

    The issue is that reprisal is on CD equally with all 3 tanks, and 2 of them, can still help with raid wide dmg, while DRK cant. (Otherwise SE wouldnt have given WAR the new shake it off, since they could equip reprisal)

    Yup, this is exactly what I'm saying about extra details. The whole of my point is those two utilities existence one 2 tanks and not a second outside the cross role system create an imbalance favorign two tanks while having one tank that has no upside.

    This is also ignoring that shields have uses outside of when the boss can be targeted. So one could argue that the shielding utility is superior to reprisal and offers a wider range of applications.
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    Last edited by Chrono_Rising; 12-14-2017 at 12:05 PM.