Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

[Siniztor]

As someone that doesn't own a house let alone care about owning one, let me ask you this why do you feel entitled to have more than one house? I mean does that seem fair?

When i bought the game i made the choice to pay for 8 characters not for 1.because in this game as i have since SWG i tended to play multi characters, Each differnt, in my reading about this game i read all the old patch notes as well as many video doing my research..One of the things that stuck is in the personal house patch notes when it was released it clearly states any "characters" meeting the requiments are allowed to buy a house..That means i was "entitled" (your word) to own more then one house........

Now as i played the game mastered my crafts on a med pop server with no houses .. i took the option to transfer servers to a place with houses..paid the $18 left a few friends but landed in a place with 200+ empty houses... i leved my characters one by one beating HW and all patch quest not once but three times. for a year ive owned 3 house wile i sat and looked at 200+ empty houses....

Dose it seem fair..Yes it dose cause i didn't break the rules. infact i unlike most i used every option i was given like transfering.. Its not up to me to supply enough houses thats on SE end. My server had no housing issuses other then not enough larges , we didnt have house flippers other then the select few who transfered to balmug for rp or gil for raiding and held those houses hostage to sell for money on other servers.

The hate and rage needs to stop being pointed at multi house owners and pointed at SE for not supplying enough houses they have our money they can buy more server space but the refuse..If you think a rule is unfair it falls on the rule maker not the people who follow the rule....

Just so you know just cause i own multi houses dosent make me a bad guy lol I can litlery name you alot of people ive bought houses for meaning i gave them the gil i earned crafting to buy there houses our server had so many house smalls were 1.5 mil med 8.5 mil....

[Shouko]

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Now see I have a problem with this idea, not the fact you own multiple houses but you say you transferred, leveled up multiple characters and had enough money to buy multiple houses across these alts and you say you've been in the game a year but your profile says you've been in the game since July of 2017, so unless you pay for multiple accounts and are dual boxing, it doesn't add up.


As for being hostile towards multi house owners, maybe but then again they don't need multiple houses, at that point it's just greedy. Sure the blame partially lies on SE for not making enough but it's also the players in general that begged for housing for players, in which SE hadn't intended at the time. There's a saying whenever you point a finger at one person you have 3 more pointing back.

[Siniztor]

Now see I have a problem with this idea, not the fact you own multiple houses but you say you transferred, leveled up multiple characters and had enough money to buy multiple houses across these alts and you say you've been in the game a year but your profile says you've been in the game since July of 2017, so unless you pay for multiple accounts and are dual boxing, it doesn't add up.


As for being hostile towards multi house owners, maybe but then again they don't need multiple houses, at that point it's just greedy. Sure the blame partially lies on SE for not making enough but it's also the players in general that begged for housing for players, in which SE hadn't intended at the time. There's a saying whenever you point a finger at one person you have 3 more pointing back.

See the date here is when you register on the fourm. This is not the date of your account...take a look thru the thread do you really belive half these people care about houses yet started in nov or dec 2017?? i registered cause i had been reading a wile yet had nothing to say untill the free transfers and all these people started demanding to take away home from multi users... i said ive owned my houses for a year lol.

As for me needing multi house in my opinion i do all 3 of my chars are rp differntly and live in a differnt enviorment. its not up to you to deicde how or why i have 3 houses or if there even needed as you stated you have no wants or need for a house to me that seems down right silly but im not gonna try and tell you differnt..

Its not greedy when the rules put in for personal houses clearly say each char meeting the requirments can buy them and Se offering you either 1 or 8 chars. It dose not say per account.

just fyi i have 314 days playtime when doing /playtime so im not new lol

[Dragonrage53]

Sinizor please learn to read the whole statment and not just select parts. I was not trying to insult you nor was i trying to villanize you to be fair i don't care how many plots you own. Heres the point I was trying to get through. Play the game and enjoy what you have you've made your point 1,000 times over and your just shooting yourself in the foot every time you defend your point of view at this point. That's why your getting harassed in game and on the forums chill and wait like everyone else, whatever SE decides to do in the end you've got to go along with it regardless.

[Siniztor]

Sinizor please learn to read the whole statment and not just select parts. I was not trying to insult you nor was i trying to villanize you to be fair i don't care how many plots you own. Heres the point I was trying to get through. Play the game and enjoy what you have you've made your point 1,000 times over and your just shooting yourself in the foot every time you defend your point of view at this point. That's why your getting harassed in game and on the forums chill and wait like everyone else, whatever SE decides to do in the end you've got to go along with it regardless.

if you have read my post i have said no matter what they change the rules to i will follow . but you clearly say said i dug my own grave just cause im defending the right to keep my houses. fact is there are more with outhouses then multi house owners so its the same people fighting to keep theres..2880 per server when there 5k+ ppl.. no matter what if i post once or 100 times it dose not give any the right to harrass anyone and saying i brought it on my self by defending the right to keep my houses is just as bad

Im not making 100 threads im responding to others who have posted, so basicly your telling me to shut up cause every time i respond i will get harrassed for defending my point

[Shouko]

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Honest mistake on the join date, since I joined in 2013 but hadn't posted anything I assumed it was account made date.

Just because the wording is different doesn't mean that's what they had intended, remember that SE is vague in their wording quite often, not to mention a JP company so things can mistranslated, Idk if this is the case or not.

It's odd that you don't seem to care about other people, when you own 3 houses and think it's necessary to own 3 for RP, when there are people that don't even have one period.

Just because there are open lots doesn't mean that you should take more than one for yourself, I mean how would you like it if someone took all the houses and you couldn't get one for yourself? Pretty angry, I would think.

It doesn't matter what I think, your correct, but neither does it matter what you think it's the majority and right now as it stands your opinion is the unpopular one.

I don't want a house because I can go play Sims or Minecraft and have more freedom to build what I want without premade templates. What do I need a house for? I can use my FC house which costs me nothing other than maybe 300k for a room and whatever to decorate the room.

[Siniztor]

Honest mistake on the join date,since I joined in 2013 but hadn't posted anything I assumed it was account made date.

Just because the wording is different doesn't mean that's what they had intended, remember that SE is vague in their wording quite often, not to mention a JP company so things can mistranslated, Idk if this is the case or not.

It's odd that you don't seem to care about other people, when you own 3 houses and think it's necessary to own 3 for RP, when there are people that don't even have one period.

Just because there are open lots doesn't mean that you should take more than one for yourself, I mean how would you like it if someone took all the houses and you couldn't get one for yourself? Pretty angry, I would think.

It doesn't matter what I think, your correct, but neither does it matter what you think it's the majority and right now as it stands your opinion is the unpopular one.

I don't want a house because I can go play Sims or Minecraft and have more freedom to build what I want without premade templates. What do I need a house for? I can use my FC house which costs me nothing other than maybe 300k for a room and whatever to decorate the room.

nope not angry id do what i have to get a house. on my old server i payed 10mil to a flipper to release a S plot and i got a house. Then uppon learning about transfers and knowing i didnt wanna support flippers i payed the money to move. never cryed foul or hated anyone for owning more then one plot lol thats just silly... why cause i knew they didnt break any rules.

The terms to buy a house are posted its been 3 years + now personal houses have been out.... So the translation excuse dont fly lol and there has been no change in the rules to own a house in 3+ years lol as ive said before 75% of the people complaining now are people who didnt get one when they got there free transfers or lost out in the shiro race.

Yes i know my opinion is unpopular but my opinion is backed by facts. Me owning multi houses dosen't break any rules it was the way the DEV ment hense why its been 3+ years and no change in the rules to owning a house till this uproar. Now there will be change and i like alot of multi house owners i know will follow the rules. But till then we will fight to keep what we got by following the rules.

See the reason this is a problem as big as it is now is PF and RF and free transfer... Before that people were paying SE to go servers with no houses. Balm for RP Gil for raiding. Think how much money SE made off people transfering into balmug at $18 a pop i know personaly 12 ppl who joined my fc just to level and wait the 2 weeks to transfer there lol.

So they finally decide wait we have to lock and move these people NOW the storm for houses sparks. and those of us who have been doing our thing for years are villians slol

Red-- Love how everyone seems to think multi house owners dont care for people..Ill speak for me as ive said ive bought homes with my gil ive made from crafting for 10+ people (the last person arandom in one of these threads who moved to my server i gave her fc asmall house), ive sat in limsa doing random triva multi times giving away millions in gil and items. ive stop over a dozen people wearing armor i made and offered them a free peice of hq 320 gear as a thank you for buying from me, ive donated millions to the hunt ls to do give aways yet....cause i own 3 houses i dont care about people lol

[Shouko]

nope not angry id do what i have to get a house. on my old server i payed 10mil to a flipper to release a S plot and i got a house. Then uppon learning about transfers and knowing i didnt wanna support flippers i payed the money to move. never cryed foul or hated anyone for owning more then one plot lol thats just silly... why cause i knew they didnt break any rules.

You said yourself that you needed 3 houses for immersion in your RP, now your saying that you wouldn't be mad if you didn't get a house, so which is it?

The terms to buy a house are posted its been 3 years + now personal houses have been out.... So the translation excuse dont fly lol and there has been no change in the rules to own a house in 3+ years lol as ive said before 75% of the people complaining now are people who didnt get one when they got there free transfers or lost out in the shiro race.

Except they do care about it obviously they just aren't doing much about it atm. Why do you think there was a 1 login per month criteria for keeping a house? They probably don't want to take away houses period because they have plans to do something.

Yes i know my opinion is unpopular but my opinion is backed by facts. Me owning multi houses dosen't break any rules it was the way the DEV ment hense why its been 3+ years and no change in the rules to owning a house till this uproar. Now there will be change and i like alot of multi house owners i know will follow the rules. But till then we will fight to keep what we got by following the rules.

Your opinion can't be backed by a fact as it then would be a fact and not an opinion.

See the reason this is a problem as big as it is now is PF and RF and free transfer... Before that people were paying SE to go servers with no houses. Balm for RP Gil for raiding. Think how much money SE made off people transfering into balmug at $18 a pop i know personaly 12 ppl who joined my fc just to level and wait the 2 weeks to transfer there lol.

Just because there are people wanting to move to popular servers with no houses open still doesn't mean that people should be owning more than one house. Just because there's an exploit in the game doesn't mean you need to use it. Get it now?

NOW the storm for houses sparks. and those of us who have been doing our thing for years are villians slol

As I said there are new people/fcs in the game all the time and when they get to the point where they can get a house they can't because people that own multiple houses take that away from them. Now if everyone only owned one house or there were unlimited houses then it wouldn't matter but as it stands it's not. Pretty sure this has been a big deal for a while.

[Siniztor]

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1-I was never mad when i didn't have a house.If you read what i said you see id do what i had to get one. which i did......Heck in the last 2 days ive seen 3 houses pop up for sale. Not by flippers cause i rode by them lol (As you know if a flipper sells a house its bought right away).

2- The housing demo was put into place 2 years ago "10/20/2015" and its 45 days not sure what the months are like where you live.

3- You right i miss spoke, The fact is multi houses owners have broke no rules as set forth by SE, anyone who says they have is spouting lies they cant back up.

4- Owning more then 1 house is not a exploit, As stated many time the housing rules state each char can buy when meeting the requirements, your opinion on how many char should be allowed to own a a house is just that your opinion. What is RIGHT is following the rules, not what any player deems is right or wrong but what SE has stated is right

5- this is laughable if you think multi house owners are the reason new players cant get a house. You have 2880 houses and 5,000+ people (thats not counting FCs) lol Untill there is more houses then Chars and Fcs there will never be enough.

6- no it was not a big problem the the med and high pop servers had no houses,(many low pop servers had houses) hense why only 2 wards got added what year or so ago. if it was a big deal wouldn't it of been mentioned, fixed, worked on or at lest more then 2 wards lol. nothing was in the works or a fix or a change in rules. If there was then shiro wouldnt of been the mess it was. it wasnt untill they made every server have housing issuses that it became this big and they said they are changing the way you buy them, thats why i you look alot of peoples dates joined are june and up because after the transfer system people got pitch forks

[Shouko]

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1. I didn't say you were mad, I said you would be mad if you couldn't get a house in that scenario. You said yourself that your immersion requires 3 houses, if you can't have those 3 houses you would be just as angry as the other people.

2. Ok well once again I was given bad info, from what i've heard and been told it's been 30 days so nothing I can do about that.

3. I never claimed buying more than one house was an exploit, obviously it's not or they would have fixed it. What I was saying was that it's like an exploit in the sense that just because it's there, aka just because there's more than 1 house up for sale doesn't mean you need to buy more than one.

4. Obviously buying multiple houses isn't the main reason but it sure doesn't help either.

Let's just drop this, it's really getting nowhere fast, neither of us are going to convince that the other side is right or wrong in this situation.