Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

[Rinuko]

we all need to agreed that one person FC situation need to be changed soon or later.

Actually... We don't need to agree on anything about who many you are in a FC. It's none of anyone business.
If you are 1 person or 20 people it does. not. matter. If they truly want a "fair" system then why should a bigger FC have a house over the small FC? Both can and want to use the FC features that comes with a house.

The whole argument about those who own multiple houses they they worked hard for, losing them is not the right way to go, that's not fair.
It's up to SE to design a system that isn't so limited.

If people buy houses that nobody was buying who are you to judge?
While I agree its a bad move to do it now that we have such a high demand for housing, but this wasn't the case 2 years ago or lately on some lower pop servers.

Anyone who bitch at people who bought more than 1 house on their alt just come off salty, bitter and jealous.

[Siniztor]

I'm a supporter of 1 house per server and 1 FC house per server and we all need to agreed that one person FC situation need to be changed soon or later. I understand why owners of multiple plots try to defend their rights to own more houses than one. They didn't and still doesn't break any rule. They did use a flow in system that is still legal. But we all know that in current situation owning more than one plot feels wrong because of really high demanding on housing plots and a lot of new players. But when I see argument like "they were empty, they were dusted and not loved" - Guys, please I saw this reasons at first in open letter from mateus celebrity that own a whole ward. Having an alt, being an old player doesn't give you more rights to own a housing plot. I get it, you earned gil for another house and fully decorated it but I doubt that you earn this money just on your alt character without help from the main character. You're not above new players in this matter.

No flaw was used no loophole was used...the system as it is right now states in the rules to buy a house every character meeting the requirements can buy a house. i have 8 character slots.. dose yours say 8 characters or is it 1 character 7 alts???
The fact of the matter is there is not enough supply for every character to buy a house but many many servers had enough houses till the free transfer system.many servers didnt even have house flippers..picture that many servers with no flippers.But SE instead of fixing the servers with houseing issues created a ton more.

Stop trying to bandaid fix this and demand SE supply enough houses for all characters.we all pay monthy subs they have the money to buy more servers plain and simple...dont try and push the blame on multi house owners saying we used a flaw and blah blah.

Cause from my stand point my server.the housing problem started when free transfer people came. till that point we had 200+ empty houses and another 720 (shiro) on the way. So from my eyes the people who took a free hand out or free ride to come to my server caused the housing issuse

[Dustytome]

The free transfers were needed. The worlds need to pull their weight considering they seem to denote the same resources to each one. If a world isn't pulling its weight, it's money just being thrown into a furnace and at that point they have to start looking at what to do about it. The alternative to driving population to those worlds would be combining them with other worlds which may cause the loss of character names and housing. I think until they get something in place like instanced housing alternatives they should at the very least limit housing per account at the placard level (if someone beyond the limit they're cut off should they try to get a new house/move).

[Siniztor]

The free transfers were needed. The worlds need to pull their weight considering they seem to denote the same resources to each one. If a world isn't pulling its weight, it's money just being thrown into a furnace and at that point they have to start looking at what to do about it. The alternative to driving population to those worlds would be combining them with other worlds which may cause the loss of character names and housing. I think until they get something in place like instanced housing alternatives they should at the very least limit housing per account at the placard level (if someone beyond the limit they're cut off should they try to get a new house/move).

Ive yet in all these threads heard 1 multi house owner argue that they wanted more houses for them selfs. the only thing multi house owners including myself are saying is......If your gonna change the rules now don't punish us for following your rules by taking our homes away.

[worldofneil]

I wasn't going to get involved in this, but meh.

(And I'm not singling you out Moaska, your post was just easiest to reply to)

I'm a supporter of 1 house per server and 1 FC house per server

we all need to agreed that one person FC situation need to be changed soon or later.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree though. I do agree there's obviously a shortage, but I personally believe the system is fine as-is, it just that it needs considerably more wards.

I understand why owners of multiple plots try to defend their rights to own more houses than one. They didn't and still doesn't break any rule.

So what you're saying is that they don't need to defend themselves to SE, only to other players who don't agree. Looking through posts in this thread (and others like it) it actually sounds like they're being harassed by other players for using the system the way it's intended...

They did use a flow in system that is still legal.

Someone linked it a while back, but the housing notes on the lodestone still say about how it's possible for each character to get a house if they meet the requirements. We pay per character (either 1 per world or 8), not 1 character and 7 alts. So that's not a flaw in the system that they can buy multiple houses, that's using the system as intended (which you seem to accept as you agree it's "legal").

we all know that in current situation owning more than one plot feels wrong because of really high demanding on housing plots and a lot of new players.

While I do believe there needs to be a lot more housing, it has has always been first come, first served. That being said, I'm constantly seeing houses being made available, even now while demolition is paused (and no I don't mean "buying" from someone else). I've managed to find housing for quite a few of my FC members just by checking regularly. I think a lot of people simply aren't checking right now because they don't expect any because of the lack of demolition.

Having an alt, being an old player doesn't give you more rights to own a housing plot.

No one said they do have more rights than anyone else, but they also don't have any particular advantage over anyone else playing the game. They just got there first.

[Maoska]

Anyone who bitch at people who bought more than 1 house on their alt just come off salty, bitter and jealous.

I don't get why you still trying to convince anyone who not agree with you that they're salty etc. As for the FC situation, if you want to create an FC you need 3 people If I remember correctly. I against one person FC to own a house not against a small FC to own a house. That's a different situations.

No flaw was used no loophole was used...the system as it is right now states in the rules to buy a house every character meeting the requirements can buy a house.

So owning a whole ward it's alright? Not for me. As I state before, I know that players who owns multiple plots doesn't do anything to violated any game rules. But for my opinion it's something that is wrong and should be fixed. I also know that whole problem it's on FFXIV team and it's not players fault.

[Siniztor]

I don't get why you still trying to convince anyone who not agree with you that they're salty etc. As for the FC situation, if you want to create an FC you need 3 people If I remember correctly. I against one person FC to own a house not against a small FC to own a house. That's a different situations.



So owning a whole ward it's alright? Not for me. As I state before, I know that players who owns multiple plots doesn't do anything to violated any game rules. But for my opinion it's something that is wrong and should be fixed. I also know that whole problem it's on FFXIV team and it's not players fault.

That cant be done..the most any one player can own is 16 plots wards are 30 plots. So no one can own a whole ward. You are allowed your own opinon, but kinda hard to see your point when your saying things that arent even possable lol

[Maoska]

That cant be done..the most any one player can own is 16 plots wards are 30 plots. So no one can own a whole ward. You are allowed your own opinon, but kinda hard to see your point when your saying things that arent even possable lol

Ok half of a plot. I have mateus situation in my mind. I get your point, and yes that's my opinion and my only. We all gonna see what FFXIV team gonna do with housing situation, and it really doesn't matter if I gonna like it or not. If problem with limited housing will be fixed they I gonna have NOTHING against owning more than one plot. But at this moment in mine eyes it's not fair for everyone.

[Siniztor]

Ok half of a plot. I have mateus situation in my mind. I get your point, and yes that's my opinion and my only. We all gonna see what FFXIV team gonna do with housing situation, and it really doesn't matter if I gonna like it or not. If problem with limited housing will be fixed they I gonna have NOTHING against owning more than one plot. But at this moment in mine eyes it's not fair for everyone.

Let me ask you this. did you have a problem before the free transfers?? or before the mateus ward was blown up by free transfer people...Cause from what ive seen and know of them they allowed fcs to hold events and use there houses. wile there was still 100's of empty houses. Or are you one of the people who only now have a problem becaue of the free transfer system shed light on this ONE ward owned by 2 ppl.

The amount of people who now have a problem because they transfered is funny. Alot of them acting like they got pitch forks wanting to take away from people who have owned these house for 1-2-3 years. but im here now gimme.

And yes i sound salty because guess what ive been harrassed over this issuse both in game and on these fourms called names B*****d out in tells in game from alts all because im trying to keep what i got by following the rules

[Maoska]

And yes i sound salty because guess what ive been harrassed over this issuse both in game and one these fourms called names (^%^ out in tells in game from alts all because im trying to keep what i got by following the rules

Ok so I see what's happening right now. Anyone who's harassing you only because you own more than one house should be reported and banned from the game. Just because you transferred from another server also did not give you automatically more right to own a plot. Also for the mateus situation I don't want to repeat myself again. Just because plot was empty for long time that doesn't give anyone more right to own that plot. I just want to say that right now housing system need to be changed. I like the idea of limit how much house you can own, but I get why you guys wanna fight for ALL your houses especially if you had to fight with randoms players who decide to be mean to you for such stupid reason.