healers are to OP in rival wings

[Fyce]

ITT: People complaining that they can't 1v1 a healer in a 24v24 PvP mode where teaming up is the key to complete the objectives... objectives which don't even include killing players.

[Chronons]

ITT: People complaining that they can't 1v1 a healer in a 24v24 PvP mode where teaming up is the key to complete the objectives... objectives which don't even include killing players.

Sigh... some people just dont get it. Its always been hard to 1v1 a healer, even before SE overhauled pvp to make it easier. Before, tanks existed to protect healers with respectable damage and aoe CC abilities, 1-2 dps could directly contribute to the flow of a battle through their focusing targets and proper cc management, and healers could survive zergs if the team properly protected them.

Now, Healers heal, tank more damage than tanks and dps. Tanks are only useful for pulling single enemies into your team so they can be focused or heavying fleeing ppl. Their survivability and dps is greatly reduced as compared to before. Dps requires at least 3-4 of them focusing to be relevant and ranged is in every way superior to melee. You really dont think thats worth discussing bc a map mode has objectives alongside the pvp element?

[Fyce]

You really dont think thats worth discussing bc a map mode has objectives alongside the pvp element?

No, it's not worth it at all. Arguing over how fast a healer should die in a mode where the main features (Core, Towers, Machinas) are absolutly irrelevent when it comes to healing, is worthless.
Besides, people who say that a healer can resist being attacked by 6 DPS without dying are out of their mind and/or are doing it -very- wrong. If only one of these DPS would instead play a PLD, that healer would be dead in the blink of an eye. In fact, a single team of 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 DPS, 1 Cruise Chaser can completly obliterate any unprotected wandering healer.

But people are just bad. And they get triggered by not being able to go lonewolf on a 24v24 mode, or when they don't properly sync with any other player and just mindlessly zerg.

I kid you not, I once played as a SCH and was attacked by 7 other players right under my active tower. They sayed focused on me for a good 45 seconds, trying to kill me in a highly defensive position instead of going for the tower or the mammets. Their rotation was awful, and they had almost zero CC management. There was absolutly nothing I could do to protect my tower at that time, but no, they stayed on me probably thinking that I was their main priority for some reason, when the game mode itself made it very clear that killing a lonely healer is absolutly worthless.
So when people come arguing about how these terrible players should be able to 1v1 a healer because their zerg rush tactic doesn't work (and probably because they aren't capable of doing anything else)... No. Just no.

It's really a "git gud" situation.

[Chronons]

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Holding the mid is directly related to your ability to pvp against other players. To suggest that healer balance is irrelevant to that is absolutely asinine.

You gave a personal example of holding off 7 people focusing you and ignoring all else. You surmise that you are in fact just a phenomenal player and they were all terrible instead of taking pause and thinking maybe there is something to healer imbalance claims. It probably isn't worth discussing healer balance with you after all.

lol "git gud". Get real dude.

[Welsper59]

In fact, a single team of 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 DPS, 1 Cruise Chaser can completly obliterate any unprotected wandering healer.

You're essentially describing a boss fight. So a single healer requires coordination of an entire party to reliably kill? Am I looking at this wrong in thinking that possibly dealing with 2 or more healers, in a 24v24 mode, is essentially a GG situation without dedicated (random) players playing almost perfectly to defeat said healers? I mean it's one thing to note that healers should be strong enough to handle a 1v1 situation very well, or at least delay a defeat by even the best of DPS decently, but when you consider the potential of 2 or more healers together... it kind of amplifies the harsh reality. Mind you, I say this as someone that pretty much only plays healer in PvP.