Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[Dzian]

Oki so lets say SE do indeed make the relic the best weapon.

So now casual Timmy comes along, grinds out his 1000 Wineport rats and crafts 500 Moogle shaped cupcakes or whatever for his Relic. He's got his big boy pants weapon, he will already have a multitude of sets of 330 tome gear from all the dungeons he's had to do en route to his relic and will promptly get to upgrade it once the 24man hits. Now you tell me, what inclination or motivation does our little casual Timmy have to ever step foot into Savage?

Think about that for a moment.

Do you actually think SE will ever go with an approach that renders that expensive Savage raid obsolete and pointless for the masses before it's even unlocked? The current Relic/Tome/Savage setup allows casuals to have strikingly close gear parity to world first raiders whilst still keeping that little carrot there over the Savage raid to lure people in. What's the issue with that?

The issue is it simply doesn't work. Casual timmy still thinks savage raiding is pointless and just doesn't bother trying. There will be better gear next patch that's easier to get.

Casual timmy also knows hat as soon as 4.2 lands he could just go to a crafter and buy some 350 gear if he so wanted. Or grind normal mode omega for 350 gear...

In the end giving relics parity with savage weapons really wouldn't change a thing. Because casual timmy just isn't going to bother with savage regardless.

Raiding populations are as low as they are because the rewards just aren't seen as worth it to many players. It's said a lot 3verie this kinda thread comes up. People won't raid because the rewards are junk and not worth investing in When they're just gonna be trash the moment the next patch lands.

Even the challenge behind savage is junk. Today hard tomorrow easy. No prestige to clearing it another reason bot to bother..

Ultimate will end up the same no doubt. People roflstomping it in 4.5 or 5.0