So are we *ever* getting the planned list of Class/Ability changes?

[Sanlord]

SE need to stop listenning you guys lol that's why they hear jp's more than us... we complain alot more than jp's

[Kailok]

I have to admit, even I've been particularly disappointed by SE in this specific instance. I'm usually the first to defend them and to tell people to calm down and wait, but I -need- to know if my Gladiator is going to be fixed. I'm also curious about whether or not ARC will be fixed so my LS mates can feel useful again and be able to play what they want instead of getting shifted into going LNC vs Ifrit.

[Firon]

What Firon remembers SE saying is that the class change info will be released sometime AFTER 1.19 goes live. Which could mean the day before 1.20.

[Sephrick]

SE need to stop listenning you guys lol that's why they hear jp's more than us... we complain alot more than jp's

Having followed the Translation JP > English thread since its inception I feel safe in saying you are quite incorrect. They do just as much complaining as we do.

[Sephrick]

What Firon remembers SE saying is that the class change info will be released sometime AFTER 1.19 goes live. Which could mean the day before 1.20.

You are also wrong. Yoshida said back in August, and quite specifically, that the class changes notes would be released when 1.19 went live so they could monitor player feedback.

Alongside the overhaul to the algorithms, work is also proceeding on redefining and redistributing abilities for Disciples of War and Magic. This is a hefty amount of work, and not all classes will be ready by patch 1.19. But rather than a partial release, we’ve decided to save the implementation of all classes for 1.20. We’ll make the details of the planned changes available when 1.19 goes live, and monitor player feedback as a way to help define our direction. In the meantime, we’ll keep on performing balance tweaks to the current class system in coming sub-patches based on ongoing feedback from the community.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...495#post292495

[Viridiana]

What Firon remembers SE saying is that the class change info will be released sometime AFTER 1.19 goes live. Which could mean the day before 1.20.

They actually said "when," not "after." From the Letter from the Producer dated 15 August:

Alongside the overhaul to the algorithms, work is also proceeding on redefining and redistributing abilities for Disciples of War and Magic. This is a hefty amount of work, and not all classes will be ready by patch 1.19. But rather than a partial release, we’ve decided to save the implementation of all classes for 1.20. We’ll make the details of the planned changes available when 1.19 goes live, and monitor player feedback as a way to help define our direction. In the meantime, we’ll keep on performing balance tweaks to the current class system in coming sub-patches based on ongoing feedback from the community.

Edit: I would be more upset about being beaten to that if I weren't distracted. >_>

[Firon]

You are also wrong. Yoshida said back in August, and quite specifically that the class changes notes would be released when 1.19 went live so they could monitor player feedback.




http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...495#post292495

When 1.19 goes live that did not mean the same day....that could mean anytime they feel like it, and also if your putting so much faith into the translations your fooling yourself thinking they are right all the time.

[Viridiana]

When 1.19 goes live that did not mean the same day....that could mean anytime they feel like it, and also if your putting so much faith into the translations your fooling yourself thinking they are right all the time.

I doubt anyone actually expected same day delivery, so to speak, but I don't think that "when 1.19 goes live" actually means "six weeks after 1.19 goes live."

[Sephrick]

When 1.19 goes live that did not mean the same day....that could mean anytime they feel like it, and also if your putting so much faith into the translations your fooling yourself thinking they are right all the time.

No, when means concurrently. If someone tells me to go when the light turns green I'm not going to wait a few cycles then go. As when denotes immediate action based on a predetermined stimuli.

If it was going to be anytime before 1.20, they'd have said "prior to 1.20." SE is a company the is deliberate about the language it uses. This new dev team has yet to make a deadline that it has publicly set for itself and this info release is just a glaring example of that.

[Firon]

I doubt anyone actually expected same day delivery, so to speak, but I don't think that "when 1.19 goes live" actually means "six weeks after 1.19 goes live."

Actually some people thought we was getting the info changes when 1.19 went live, that's why i said you could tell the translation was dead wrong. If we was gonna get the notes when it went live we would have had them by now.

No, when means concurrently. If someone tells me to go when the light turns green I'm not going to wait a few cycles then go. As when denotes immediate action based on a predetermined stimuli.

If it was going to be anytime before 1.20, they'd have said "prior to 1.20." SE is a company the is deliberate about the language it uses. This new dev team has yet to make a deadline that it has publicly set for itself and this info release is just a glaring example of that.

You just answered the question your self, if it was translated correctly we would have had th3e changes the same day 1.19 went live, that right there should have let you know the notes was translated wrong and it has not been the first time.