So are we *ever* getting the planned list of Class/Ability changes?

[Hikozaemon]

any smart business person never makes promises on what they cant deliver. SE needs to act like smart business people and not post "this week" "after this weekend" and "we need a few more days to wrap things up" instead next time just say" we will release the list when its ready; ok?!"

[RolandDebreton]

If I do not like the service or products of a business I take my money elsewhere. You were all promised nothing, they said they would try, they have apologized for the lateness of their response. If you cannot handle that, take your business elsewhere.

Incidentally, if all of you feel you didn't receive sufficient product for the last years worth of free play as recompense for your original purchase I don't know how to help that entitled attitude.

I'm not saying that we ought to sit back and say nothing. I have never said that. In point of fact, I have made suggestions myself. However, its just that, suggestions not demands, not orders, not impositions. Your attitudes that you are utterly entitled to this knowledge that they haven't yet been able to sufficiently deliver is what is preposterous.

Incidentally, to the fellow who pulled up a couple of what may or may not represent trademark formulas that he googled, you missed the point apparently.

[Crunkjuice]

Here's a news flash: They put out a faulty product, admitted as such and said they're going to work to regain our trust. Failing time and again to meet their own deadlines does not instil trust. Quite the opposite.

It is not an "entitled attitude" to expect them to follow through on their promises.

they have not earned my trust. how am i supposed to believe 2.0 will be as good as they say, and delivered on time if they can't even put patch note out on time. going take more than 2 endgame fights and a few tossed together crappy dungeons to keep me entertained for long. Ty SE for the char head start but not much else going on for this game.

[Wevlum]

I think the funniest part about this is when you refresh Lodestone and see a new topic and get all excited thinking it's the class changes and then you read "Changes to Repairs". Also by 'funniest part about this' I mean the part about this that makes you :< for the rest of the day.

[Fated]

Don't you guys have more Ifrits to kill and more Dark Matter chests to rage about?

[Sheth]

Is that really why you are playing? That is pretty ridiculous, Square Enix is a big boy of a company. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need you playing its games purely out of concern for it.

I have actively played the game for a week, so not really that's not why am playing. Am talking about the die hard fans not myself am a high risk for SE.

[Sheth]

At most no one pays they shut these servers down get everything ready for 2.0 and see how many come back and hope it works. I'm I silly sure the cat is almost always thought of as silly... but who knows its the simple fact that if everyone currently playing payed a sub fee they would not be making enough for current stuff plus the 2.0 stuff along with the GM/community reps and such people. So if you look at it that way they really don't need your money to get to 2.0 they need it for the here and now stuff.

Also still looking for the post I saw with something like this in... I'm pretty sure it was one of the many many interviews I read over the last month but who knows it may have never really been said and it could have been just something I took out of all those questions about starting up the billing.

The cat is silly bemused =*.*=

When did I say 2.0, an online game without people playing it is a failure. A company won't keep the servers up. So again without the people they have now they will never get this product running.

[Renshi]

Stop wasting time waiting for things, and do other things instead. Be Productive!

[wind]

When did I say 2.0, an online game without people playing it is a failure. A company won't keep the servers up. So again without the people they have now they will never get this product running.

except the "company" you're talking about doesn't JUST have XIV as its product. Not to mention its been stated by Wada that the entire company(all) not just XIV's branch is backing this project and helping them out.

http://investing.businessweek.com/re...ticker=9684:JP

SE is obviously not as strong as they once were(years ago) in terms of products being produced and creating revenue. BUT saying they can't survive till their second launch without, what? maybe 1-5ksubs(being sooooo generous with the numbers) is amazingly retarded.

Regardless if only a fraction of the current population pay from now to 2.0, the game will still bring in more people come 2012 Dec. The ps3 release will undoubtedly bring in JP players even if its a small %, and at the same time china will be getting XIV as well. So another region will be opening up. XIV will be okay

[Holland]

They're well over two-three weeks overdue from when you originally promised them, and if you're planning to release them so close to the tentative patch release date, you will not have the time to consider player feedback of your planned significant changes.

The playerbase has gone an extremely long time now without any REAL information. For most MMO's, I would say things like timely patch notes are a privilege and not a right. However, given that you plan to start charging us for this product next month and we still have no idea exactly what new content/changes are being planned for 1.20, we should have already had these patch notes.

Communicating these ideas with us should be your second highest priority behind actually developing the game. At this rate, we'll have the class change list in our hands for a week before the patch itself, and that's unacceptable.

Yes, they definitely dropped the ball by providing players a too accurate timeframe when they will release the info. This is the second time Yoshi makes this mistake, the first one being 1.18 patch release date. However, even after seeing the list we will still have to have on hand experience to provide accurate feedback on the changes, this is fact.

They plan to charge for content, yes, but only after we have tried 1.20. Regardless if they release the info or not, we will know if it's worth paying or not, so your "We have no idea how 1.20 will be and you plan to charge" point is moot. No, we should not have the patch notes yet, we are still two to three weeks at best from patch date.

Communicating everything they can has been Yoshi's policy since he took charge, but they do so when they are sure what and how things are implemented. At this rate it does not matter if we have the class change list tomorrow or on patch date, because it does not make a difference until we actually play with them.

Finally, using the term "is unacceptable" makes it sound as if they owe us anything. For your initial purchase we have received more than a year of free play, mostly unplayable though at least until 1.18 and the promise of content leading up to 2.0 with or without enough players subscribing, that is more than enough for your $60 ~ $80 purchase.